[0:17:27 - 0:17:40] When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was Sarbacher.

[0:37:14 - 0:37:33] it started in August of 1952 come October I began to get sick constant I couldn't I was getting one cold and so my mother takes me to the doctor it turns out I have no immune system it's broken it's broken down.

[0:37:49 - 0:38:17] A little seven year old thin little seven year old boys being in an isolated in a room in given gamma globular shots and by these doctors who you know these huge needles I mean this is the early 50s right needles are like gigantic in these huge needles are coming at me and they would get so nervous the needle go through my arm and they stuff would drip down my chest it was just awful.

[0:39:47 - 0:40:12] I think it started at doc how I think it started in the camps and I think that children who were being gasped sometimes after the gasing they weren't there any everyone you know the people would all rush into the center of the thing and try to go up because the gas was low and they would die in these pyramids of humanity.

[1:04:14 - 1:04:39] Kai Dickens is a amazing filmmaker she was rejected by all these you know production houses as far as making this into a larger documentary and just kind of the IY style recorded this it's she's found all these non verbal autistic children who were formally being studied by this Harvard neuroscientist a woman named Dr Diane Powell and it's really remarkable you have these kids being put in you know their parents are.

[1:13:00 - 1:13:29] Yeah in the world like we are in moments like this I just often remember a specific interview the doctor John Mac did with one of the one of the kids from the aerial school and he asks her why she thought the visitors were there and she goes in space there is no love but down here there is and I I remember so viscerally watching that for the first time and that resonating on such a deep soul level that I don't know what I'm going to do.

[1:22:54 - 1:23:01] I don't know what that is man I mean I was like now you can look at the video and it's in a number of documents.

[1:23:01 - 1:23:14] The memories in somewhere on my website to my website is too big and I can't honestly say where very easily but you see the doctor try to remove it you see says my wife sees it she's right there.

[1:23:23 - 1:23:32] I mean I got a little and the doctor doctor it was such a cute sweet die.

[1:24:58 - 1:25:05] So we go into the doctor's office and he's got his nurse there and he's opens up the slit and he.

[1:25:06 - 1:25:12] And there and they were video taping it she says it's a white disc and the doctor.

[1:25:56 - 1:26:09] We got a sliver at the doctor's office he said it to the lab in under ordinary circumstances.

[1:26:41 - 1:26:49] And somehow or another it went to a lab to a regular ordinary lab the doctor to send it to a lab.

[1:27:31 - 1:27:43] And then the doctor calls me all excited because it's the lab tech has seen it and told him the same thing and I guess the lab tech sent it to Southwest for that reason because it was so unusual.

[1:39:03 - 1:39:15] I said well how am I going to do it he says I say because I can't go to my doctor and say I want a CT scan of my ear for no apparent reason and he says well I'll I'll calling.

[1:39:15 - 1:39:40] So I call the doctor the doctor I he says and then he calls me makes making appointment with him I make an appointment with him and he's all excited he says it's all set up you just have to go over the blow up go to the get and they'll do a CT scan of your ear and I go over to the power medical lab where it was and they they're very confused.

[1:50:31 - 1:50:40] And I'm looking for girls I'm going to singles bars and stuff and all the guys in the singles bars their airline pilots lawyers doctors.

[1:50:47 - 1:50:59] So I come from a father who's never lie never lie it's basic it's in your my blood so I'm not going to say I'm a doctor or a lawyer.

[2:21:11 - 2:21:19] Right and the great poetry of being is there. Yes, it's a poetry of being it's so it's fascinating and and we I you know, I just interviewed doc