[0:05:08 - 0:05:23] The the
ATIP program advanced aerospace threat identification program, which I which I help lead and working with some of my colleagues was a very sensitive program, but it wasn't covert to to I know people like to and forgive me for that saying that I don't know why it says that.
[0:05:23 - 0:05:37] There's a legal definition of covert activities and then there is from a department of defense, which is title 50 and then from a title 10 or DOD perspective, you have clandestine type operations and sensitive operations went, but
ATIP was not covert.
[0:05:58 - 0:06:15] Okay. Did you did you start a tip? I did not. No, no, no. It's fascinating actually the way
ATIP started. It actually started off as a program called all set the advance of aerospace weapons, weapons, aerospace weapons special application program all set.
[0:06:43 - 0:07:12] but funding together to create a program called all the contract vehicles called all set all set was a big program in order to look at from the Pentagon's perspective, the UAP or UFO in the vernacular, the UFO issue from there, it there was an aspect of all set was kind of think of a big umbrella and then you have a little umbrella fitting underneath this big umbrella, which looked on a lot of stuff to include elements of no now is known to skin walker ranch and other things
ATIP was really focused on the UAP.
[0:07:12 - 0:07:41] So all set did to but they were much broader think of a shotgun approach versus a sniper approach the shotgun being all set the sniper being a tip and so I was actually part of the
ATIP program, although I worked with a lot of the elements in all SAP. My focus was really nuts and bolts on a tip interesting so that's it was started by Jim Likatsky and and J Straton on the all set side.