[0:26:46 - 0:26:56] So I think one of the things that often gets mixed up online when people are looking at the alleged history here of like the program is the whole all SAP and
A-Tip thing.
[0:26:56 - 0:27:01] It's like eventually it was known as
A-Tip. We'll get into that whole acronym and whatever soon.
[0:33:34 - 0:33:56] So anyway, long story short, the
A-Tip piece was really more focused on nuts and bolts. So we were looking at military encounters, aircraft encounters, Navy ship encounters with UAP and things that we were picking up, not just with gun camera footage and flea footage, pod footage, things that we could also cooperate with radar data, hard data, right?
[0:34:03 - 0:34:13] So you had several issues going on. And so the
A-Tip program was initially, you know, some people, depending who you talk to and what day of the week it is, they'll tell you a slight variation of it.
[0:34:13 - 0:34:19] I can't tell you really much about OSAP because I wasn't my focus. I can tell you about my involvement with
A-Tip.
[0:34:20 - 0:34:30] From my understanding and from my observations, because
A-Tip became a very legitimate program and is still recognized how you can talk to very read other folks are like, it was real, you know, I don't know if that's how you're doing.
[0:34:48 - 0:34:58] And as all SAP faded away,
A-Tip kind of contracted, meaning we really, we've limited the number of contractors that were involved.
[0:35:27 - 0:35:36] But the people who are involved with OSAP when you come into it and
A-Tip on the inside of the government, it seems like that group is kind of the same.
[0:35:41 - 0:35:48] So a lot of the core expertise that were in OSAP came over to
A-Tip and stayed with us, right?
[0:35:55 - 0:36:02] By the time we were really focusing on the
A-Tip piece, we had really very, very few contractors.
[0:36:37 - 0:36:47] So it, it totally, totally get it. And I think even, even some OSAP and
A-Tip guys might even be kind of confused because some of them weren't there for every meeting, right?
[0:36:59 - 0:37:06] Essentially, it's not like you're walking into places and there's a giant sign on the door. Welcome to the
A-Tip meeting. Welcome to the OSAP meeting.
[0:37:34 - 0:37:46] But essentially to keep it simple, maybe the focus of the exact types of events you're looking for or, or context of UAP technically like has a shift or whatever between OSAP and
A-Tip.
[1:36:09 - 1:36:14] the
A-tip team oh yeah I wonder intel guy is now seeing now counter intel yeah I was counter intel
[2:54:44 - 2:54:48] it's a team effort it's the same thing with
A-tip it's the same thing with anything in the government