[0:03:15 - 0:03:22] New York Times article revealing the secret Pentagon UFO program and some of the tapes that have walked out of the Pentagon was merely the tip of the iceberg

[0:33:12 - 0:33:16] The documents out of the Pentagon and going to New York Times and bring it public while you're making the phenomenon

[0:27:51 - 0:27:55] They bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times.

[0:40:53 - 0:40:57] It's one of the things that's stifled discourse on this until I think the New York Times

[1:13:16 - 1:13:20] UFOs ever since the New York Times article in 2017.

[1:57:31 - 1:57:48] I don't recall whether we discussed this yesterday but in the New York Times article that came out in December of 2017, Leslie King, Ralph Blumenthal, that basically exposed ATIP to the world.

[1:58:34 - 1:58:46] This was December of 2008. What I didn't know until January of 2018 once the New York Times story came out.

[0:48:49 - 0:48:58] Things where he's like, I'll tell you that right, but not on the camera. So I I went to the New York Times and said, I got it all. I've got the names. David Grush.

[1:08:34 - 1:08:46] But they got lute released as to to two up reporters that I spoke to about the alien interview. Ralph Lumenthal and Leslie Kean and they got New York Times to release this this tick-tock video.

[1:08:56 - 1:09:15] It was 10,000 to 13,000 feet in the air going 40 miles an hour. So but but what did it do? It opened the door for the for somebody like the New York Times to start saying aliens and using the vernacular UFO where news outlets can talk about John Stewart.

[0:23:33 - 0:23:40] operating out of the same area and even other areas later. But, you know, when the New York Times

[1:12:34 - 1:12:38] New York Times released in 2017 that the Pentagon admitted was real in 2020.

[1:13:16 - 1:13:20] You know, so I mean when I first saw the New York Times pop a massive day of,

[0:14:32 - 0:14:37] It's a recent report by the New York Times unveiled the existence of a real-life ex-files

[0:15:56 - 0:15:59] Our story actually ran the same days in New York Times.

[0:16:35 - 0:16:40] It wasn't until the New York Times article came out in 2017 and I saw the video that

[0:18:09 - 0:18:12] them to the New York Times.

[0:18:57 - 0:19:03] I had the Washington Post and Politico and the New York Times competing for the story.

[0:19:09 - 0:19:12] The New York Times seemed to be the best opportunity.

[0:23:02 - 0:23:06] The New York Times had virtually no impact on the legislative or executive branches of

[0:24:13 - 0:24:18] What changed if it wasn't the New York Times, then what made the difference?

[0:27:23 - 0:27:28] It was only in 2017 when the New York Times article came out that my interest was really

[0:35:36 - 0:35:53] He says no idea about age not my specialty and asking about it would have been a net negative especially now he says and he probably says especially now because of the sort of disclosure this is post 2017 New York Times bit you know.

[0:01:55 - 0:01:59] When I saw the 2017 New York Times article in the videos that were released, I realized

[0:58:40 - 0:58:46] on the front of the New York Times it's suddenly become a big part of the accepted lexicon to where

[2:05:52 - 2:05:56] information to the New York to the New York Times where I think this was also where we got the

[2:05:56 - 2:06:02] new term UAP which is also interesting and saying like all right front page of the New York Times like

[2:42:42 - 2:42:48] initially and the Washington Post and New York Times kind of shout the bet and didn't end up

[2:42:48 - 2:42:56] running with the story and so I I don't especially New York Times I don't know why um I think

[2:43:00 - 2:43:06] a New York Times staff writer right so she wanted to do it through New York Times and I think what's

[2:43:30 - 2:43:34] the New York Times and I think like they they doubted that the whole thing is actually absurd

[2:44:04 - 2:44:09] caveat it with whatever you want if you're the New York Times but to me not publishing that

[3:06:25 - 3:06:31] look at this look at this that's different than like pentagon New York Times being like you know

[1:08:32 - 1:08:40] Like I remember when, you know, 2017, you know, New York Times article, the evidence that I remember had some family members go.

[3:09:57 - 3:09:59] and I was like, why didn't I go in the New York Times?

[3:10:27 - 3:10:29] I guess the New York Times was looking into it for quite some time,

[3:10:32 - 3:10:36] Well, so Leslie Kane is a staff writer for The New York Times.

[3:10:36 - 3:10:39] I think her default was, I wanna do this on The New York Times,

[3:11:06 - 3:11:10] Then you see the publications, like the stories had been published in The New York Times post.

[0:07:14 - 0:07:19] When I did, I did a, a New York Times op-ed for this in 2021, which, you know, blew up

[0:07:31 - 0:07:35] you know, the New York Times articles and the various videos.

[0:07:54 - 0:07:58] Number one best seller on the New York Times best seller list.

[0:14:24 - 0:14:26] I mean, even back to the New York Times story.

[0:26:22 - 0:26:24] It went to number one on the New York Times bestseller list.

[0:35:04 - 0:35:09] But I think bottom line is, you know, Lu Wann, man, he's got number one New York Times

[1:20:13 - 1:20:18] of the idea of what we've done here in the US with the hearings and the New York Times report.

[0:07:30 - 0:07:37] in the New York Times. Luel Azondo and Chris Mellon, you know, and Chris Mellon very importantly,

[0:08:23 - 0:08:28] story in the New York Times, and everybody's saying, oh, here's two amazing whistleblowers that come

[0:08:46 - 0:08:54] had cleared all of those videos to be shown, and they had okayed New York Times to publish them.

[0:10:24 - 0:10:30] very interesting guy. And in 2017, he came out as part of this New York Times revelation. He was

[2:46:24 - 2:46:30] got killed on the way to meet with the New York Times reporter to bring him the documents,

[2:51:07 - 2:51:12] And I think for a lot of people it took the New York Times and the Pentagon saying this

[2:54:42 - 2:54:45] Here's the New York Times or here's NBC.

[0:40:40 - 0:40:43] That's when the New York Times reporter got arrested.

[0:07:14 - 0:07:31] And that really kind of got me hooked on UFOs. And that kind of always coincided with the 2017 December 2017 release of a New York Times article, which came with these other videos in Gimbal and the Flier 1 video and GoFast, which released a little later.

[0:17:21 - 0:17:42] I think it's something that was maybe bubbling beneath the surface and it's just been kind of allowed to come out. The New York Times story basically opened the flood gates. It was something that gave the lidacy, gave it allowed people to talk about it. I've had other journalists to talk about it. And when she gets that going, it becomes this kind of feedback loop.

[0:43:12 - 0:43:19] because Nimitz, Gimbal Ango Fast, were popularized in this New York Times article in 2017.

[1:36:35 - 1:36:39] You can draw a direct link, OSAP to A-Tip, to Louis-Azon, Odo, New York Times.

[1:32:16 - 1:32:21] I had to find out the hard way when the New York Times article came out like 2017

[1:54:11 - 1:54:14] What led to the New York Times article and

[0:01:42 - 0:01:49] You are the author of the New York Times bestseller UFO of God, the extraordinary true story

[0:16:43 - 0:16:49] of course there was a New York Times article a month later

[0:09:28 - 0:09:31] the K-hill firm, where we represented the New York Times

[0:09:55 - 0:09:58] I'm representing New York Times and NBC.

[0:10:17 - 0:10:23] New York Times was in the post. That was, I was investigated, the Air Force confirmed that

[0:28:10 - 0:28:15] this starts coming for 2017 New York Times story but then you're you're

[5482.00s - 5487.00s] by the way, this is before even things came out in the New York Times in December 2017.

[5526.00s - 5536.00s] And so we were part of what was behind helping Leslie King get that story out in the New York Times to break out that something was really going on behind the scenes.

[6340.00s - 6353.00s] And interestingly enough, even though this has been a tinfoil hat crowd kind of thing up until around 2017 when the New York Times story came out,

[9761.00s - 9772.00s] I think a big breakthrough, and I think you probably agree with the New York Times, that 2017 report in the New York Times was huge because here it is in the most prestigious newspaper in the United States, in the world.

[9935.00s - 9940.00s] I mean, I love my example of, in fact, I got it into the New York Times article.

[0:34:28 - 0:34:36] CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, or reading New York Times or the Wall Street Journal, all of that is controlled.