[0:01:21 - 0:01:27] I feel lucky to kind of ride the coattails, you know, kind of draft aerodynami
cally behind people like you.
[0:03:53 - 0:03:58] I think if you actually look at a lot of bibli
cal stories, that stuff becomes a lot more real and less mythi
cal.
[0:10:31 - 0:10:37] Yeah. And it was let's systemati
cally downplay UFOs through media books, movies, everything.
[0:11:57 - 0:12:10] And he's doing this whole retrospective on American inquiries and anti-gravity UFOs. And he basi
cally makes the case that there's this cleavage almost where the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence splits off and they're studying the real stuff.
[0:13:07 - 0:13:18] That basi
cally talked about this, a program that paralleled Project Blue Book, but it was way underground, way more funding, way better scientists, all these things.
[0:13:57 - 0:14:11] But basi
cally the implication was there was a very well funded panel of eminent scientists that were involved and that Project Blue Book was just a dog and pony show.
[0:15:03 - 0:15:08] And there's a book
called by William Steinman
called UFO Crash about the Aztec Crash Retrieval.
[0:16:32 - 0:16:37] is heading up the kangaroo court, basi
cally stripping Oppenheimer of his Q clearance.
[0:22:00 - 0:22:04] It's
called the phenomena because it's hard to classify but there's something going on.
[0:22:45 - 0:22:53] It's ubiquitous and it can manifest itself in like a physi
cal form, like technologi
cally, like an engineered craft.
[0:25:49 - 0:25:56] This previous week, the UFO came on the range through right by what we
called the schoolhouse because that's where we did the training.
[0:29:33 - 0:29:46] And he was telling Heineck, look, you got to look into these cases that are classified in project blue book files as psychologi
cal because those are reports of witnesses claiming to see beans connected to the craft.
[0:29:47 - 0:29:52] And I guess they're just putting them down as psychologi
cal because they're just assuming that the witnesses have lost their marbles.
[0:29:53 - 0:30:08] And so he was like, you got to look into these cases and I was like, OK, you know, he's giving some examples in France in the 50s and like literally like a week later, he gets the phone
call about the landing in the corner, Mexico that involved the police officer by the name of Lonnie Zamora.
[0:34:22 - 0:34:39] He said, that's what it looked like. It opened and dropped. And then two individuals, beans, aliens, whatever you want to
call them. This is according to Alan Sandler. He told me this. They came out and they flanked the stairs on other side. And then the main guy got out.
[0:34:39 - 0:34:52] And he had like a Egyptian, he described it as Egyptian. The description in the film is very similar. And being with big eyes and verti
cal slits tall.
[0:34:52 - 0:35:07] Egyptian hair or head gear. I don't know. Verti
cal eyes, verti
cal slits, big eyes, big nose, mouth almost nonexistent, little slit, very small chins.
[0:35:29 - 0:35:44] And Paul Sharlwood, North and Air Force based so to Tim, because Paul got a
call from a guy named Colonel Colonel Coleman was a guy interviewed who was public relations at the Pentagon in the 70s. I interviewed Coleman about it.
[0:35:44 - 0:36:03] And he, yeah, his story, his recollection. But anyway, he, he had
called, I guess, the debates, hey, these guys who do any documentary and UFOs, cooperate, you know, give them access, whatever, not realizing that Paul Sharlwood just processed some film of this lane in Holman.
[0:41:08 - 0:41:14] So when I made the documentary, he
called me up and he goes, bloody hell, man. You wouldn't even look into it back in the day.
[0:42:59 - 0:43:13] And then it bay that basi
cally ends up killing him. It is a result of the side effects he sort of heard yet and oily greasy stuff on his body. And apparently, according to friends and family, he was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol, trying to get it off of him.
[0:43:13 - 0:43:26] We were talking smell and the we were talking about this last night with how put off Chase brand and wrote a book
called Crypto's Conundrum Chase brand is this. I think it's the student him for a CIA guy.
[0:48:54 - 0:49:11] You know, people that don't even have any physi
cal evidence are terrified. So there are people that have the footage. No question, no question in my mind. I talked to people that have seen it. How do I get that? Well, so if I was there at the time for an extra six weeks, I'm quite confident I would have come home with it.
[0:52:18 - 0:52:32] The military base
calls the guy that we had just met with on camera
calls him up. Hey, this is so and so it adds a military base. There's an American filmmaker poking around.
[0:52:42 - 0:52:52] Oh, wow, they got
calls like that. Yeah, so then he got the
call. The guy that we were going to meet and now I just put him on camera. They
called him the next day. No way.
[0:54:15 - 0:54:31] And be on the lookout. It's being cited. It's in this area. So there were. So Eric Lopes just
called his buddy was off duty. They were real. They were both military police, but he
called him up. Hey, you want to join me? I got this weird thing I'm doing tonight and jumps in the car and off they go.
[0:54:31 - 0:54:39] And then they see it.
Cal ring coming across the road. Stop the car. It was pissing Ray. I believe it was pissing Ray. What happened? What's his name?
[0:56:20 - 0:56:29] And he goes, I got to talk to you about the Virginia case, you know, what he didn't tell me was that he was dying of cancer and that he had criti
cal things to share with me.
[0:57:37 - 0:57:49] And so I'm going through them. And I was like, wait, he wrote a book too. So I buy the book, read the book. And I'm like, gosh, the book is basi
cally a transcription of of the tapes.
[0:59:33 - 0:59:40] They just came forward. So I'm going to go interview them apparently. They have some physi
cal evidence left over from the from the case.
[1:00:06 - 1:00:14] I, you know, in my limited scientific knowledge. No, I have not gone and met with them physi
cally, but they had communicated some things in Portuguese to my buddy.
[1:00:53 - 1:00:59] You also have, we also just came out with a book. I think it was released yesterday
called imminent.
[1:01:27 - 1:01:33] And, but again, I'm sitting there in the courtroom with the jury, a skepti
cal jury, and I'm thinking to myself,
[1:04:15 - 1:04:20] And just like, you know, move forward on our current geopoliti
cal trajectory.
[1:31:23 - 1:31:33] So I
called him, told him, hey, I know you had a frustration and you keyed my car.
[1:31:53 - 1:31:57] And he, I demand you, click about three or four days later, he
calls me up and goes,
[1:32:38 - 1:32:44] And then there's another where the body is a biologi
cal collapsing function on a default
[1:35:28 - 1:35:33] So it's almost based on their opponent making some dumb move that they somehow psychi
cally
[1:36:50 - 1:36:56] And you have to think, you know, the amount of opti
cal scrutiny of program like that would
[1:36:59 - 1:37:02] And you have the top graduate, Joseph McManni
cal winning a Legion of Merit for over 200 cases
[1:37:48 - 1:37:54] The psychic from
California entered a trance and provided specific latitude and longitude
[1:38:59 - 1:39:03] If you read Thomas Kuhn's structure of scientific revolution, you have to systemati
cally
[1:43:36 - 1:43:40] So she
calls me up and I'm about to go down in a canoe and actually a wooden dory with this
[1:43:53 - 1:44:00] He was greeted like a king going down the Grand Canyon
called Mount River in the Grand
[1:44:14 - 1:44:18] Part of East Jafarri, he needs, you know, it was like some astronomi
cal amount of money
[1:55:20 - 1:55:27] So, you have this, this document basi
cally saying that Wilson is extremely frustrated and
[2:06:09 - 2:06:16] I also think they systemati
cally use marginal, like, weird, fringy outlets that aren't super
[2:08:45 - 2:08:49] They basi
cally, yeah, but they basi
cally admit in the film that it's real and they put forth
[2:11:03 - 2:11:09] in the early 70s, because you had the Condon Commission sort of basi
cally just kill Blue
[2:12:45 - 2:12:54] And that's basi
cally Oppenheimer, Sarbacher, and they're creating that special definition
[2:12:54 - 2:12:59] of nuclear material is basi
cally anything emitting any sort of radiologi
cal properties.
[2:13:05 - 2:13:11] If something is not a nuke, but it has radiologi
cal energy coming off it, you know, alpha, beta
[2:13:51 - 2:13:57] So condon is basi
cally writing up UFO secrecy before he then debunks the entire thing.
[2:14:48 - 2:14:54] And it's basi
cally describing an Air Force techni
cal officer coming upon a craft that is
[2:16:24 - 2:16:27] He goes, if it's not
called, majestic 12, there's a group just like Fitzill legitimate
[2:22:20 - 2:22:24] There were some denials and, you know, and I said, everybody
calm down because people were
[2:22:48 - 2:22:57] And now that has es
calated between 2017 and today, 2024 exponentially, in my opinion,
[2:31:27 - 2:31:32] There's a town in Japan
called Lino, which is in Fukushima, which is famous for its
[2:33:32 - 2:33:40] Yeah, he did a, a project
called like a project sign or project archive sign.
[2:33:40 - 2:33:45] We're all effort to study saucers was
called project sign with headquarters at Wright
[2:34:12 - 2:34:19] When he interviewed all these criti
cal witnesses from like the 50s and 60s that were in their
[2:38:55 - 2:38:58] But this book that he wrote after UFOs and Newtons is
called Confessions and it's about
[2:41:35 - 2:41:43] But in any case, he had a number of so-
called experiences from all of them.
[2:43:34 - 2:43:41] I think the dirty secret is that everybody has something autobiographi
cal and that causes
[2:47:09 - 2:47:14] And one day he
called me up, and he said, I'll give you the target version, but he said,