[1:43:42 - 1:43:52] an active citizen movement of people, unconnected to
the national security state infrastructure,
[1:44:04 - 1:44:12] with them. If we could reach past
the national security state strictures, uh, and have direct
[1:44:18 - 1:44:24] and productive relationship with them, I know this freaks out
the national security state people
[1:58:59 - 1:59:05] of how we deal with
the national security state has been set up by the United States and the
[2:10:37 - 2:10:42] in Richard Dolan who wrote the UFOs in
the National Security State, he's got the documents right
[3:26:12 - 3:26:18] security interest and other things. You know, I'm not a great fan of
the national security state [3:26:43 - 3:26:48] raised in
the national security state, it becomes their absolute totem, you know, that's what they