[0:00:48 - 0:00:53] You would have to keep a long-running
secret and you'd have to backstop it for years before it, like decades.
[0:15:20 - 0:15:27] Those folks who don't necessarily have a national
security clearance, but they also have a need to know because if you want to stop and prevent terrorism or anything else,
[0:15:40 - 0:15:51] That was still effective effective and useful, but didn't compromise national level
secrets because these guys didn't have a lot of these guys and gals at the local level didn't have
security clearances.
[0:15:51 - 0:16:00] So you can't share with them a
secret document because they don't have a
secret
security clearance. So how do you do it? Well, long story short, I'll spare you the details,
[0:18:53 - 0:19:04] Right. So what earlier on I had several meetings with some people that were part of his program that had been called Blue Badgers is what I had to remember your member of the intelligence community. So that means you have the top
secret SCI
security clearance.
[0:19:29 - 0:19:41] Tom Hock-Rus missiles, Apache Longbow avionics, you know, some advanced space based systems. Only later did I learn that they just needed a really good counterintelligence guy and
security guy for this program.
[0:22:06 - 0:22:13] So, you have three levels of classified information. You have confidential, you have
secret, and then you have top
secret.
[0:22:13 - 0:22:20] So, think of like a rainbow. Well, at that top tier of top
secret, there's several categories within that top
secret.
[0:23:57 - 0:24:09] Another very interesting program, which I can talk about now, it's unclassified, type in the word tempest, and look at what tempest means from a, from a
secure communications, and it will pull up.
[0:25:30 - 0:25:37] Everything in a skiff. Everything in a skiff. Yeah, you as basically you go into a building, go through a door that's got a bunch of
security codes.
[0:25:51 - 0:26:01] That is a obscene level of
security requirements. And so I worked out of one of those.
[0:26:30 - 0:26:34] We don't... Typically, unless you have
security clearance, you're not getting into a skiff.
[0:27:18 - 0:27:31] had basically started this thing called OSAP and was saying we need to look into not just our history with UAP, but we need to look into what this is from a national
security threat perspective.
[0:31:04 - 0:31:19] The contract gets awarded and they start all set and all set is also looking at other things like, for example, the skin walker ranch again things that I wasn't really involved in my focus really was more in initially counter intelligence
security.
[0:31:45 - 0:31:57] You government guys got all these goddamn terms. I know, man, it's an entire forest of acronyms and I know I know it's his own language. If you ever if you ever want to have a
secret language,
[0:37:46 - 0:37:56] At the end of the day, you guys are a group of government individuals who are read in on serious
secret shit that even people above you technically in rank don't know.
[0:37:56 - 0:38:05] That is correct. And you are, you are evaluating the national
security implications of UAP, which is the term you guys, I guess, we're coming up with back then.
[0:40:13 - 0:40:38] Yeah, so there's typically two in my experience and I can't speak for the people I've noticed two types of people how they how they deal with this information. First of all, when you have a
security clearance and you're read onto a lot of programs, it's really hard to be surprised because you learn a lot of things and you kind of start getting I'll say numb, but used to the idea that you're going to learn a lot of things that most Americans are never going to know about to the day they die.
[0:44:58 - 0:45:14] was not an a skip negative no it was actually you're just sitting in an Olive Garden talking about well not all garden but no and it was it was it was the room had been you know fairly
secured okay but we weren't sharing US
secrets it was somebody else a
[0:50:53 - 0:51:02] G force one G is the effect of Earth's gravity on us 9.8 meters per
second per
second per
second squared because of the mass of the Earth we all
[0:52:30 - 0:52:46] observable one the
second observable is hyper sonic velocity now what is hyper sonic velocity it is five technically five times the speed of sound so speed of sound Mach 1 is roughly 760 some miles an hour at sea level so you're
[0:54:17 - 0:54:22] Valkyrie that we have to lower the cross
section just a little bit so we can sneak in under the radar
[0:58:02 - 0:58:08] and so it's obviously from that perspective we it is a national
security issue for sure 100% yeah
[1:02:32 - 1:02:38] are the radar systems that were being used and are used even today to to pro
secute combat missions
[1:03:13 - 1:03:19] this thing so let's let's count these up for a
second right so you've got maybe five or six
[1:03:58 - 1:04:02] national
security issue and I want to be clear because a lot of people say you know fear mongering
[1:04:02 - 1:04:08] it's a national
security threat I know instead of a threat set us an issue because we don't know
[1:04:32 - 1:04:38] but this is kind of how how I see the issue from a national
security issue you know you live in a
[1:06:09 - 1:06:15] like they needed the branding to carry the night just happens in 2022 on ABC yeah
secretary of
[1:06:41 - 1:06:47] that is the antithesis that's the opposite of national
security yes that is most important
[1:11:58 - 1:12:03] put on two different hats here okay one is a national
security hat and by the way it's different
[1:12:10 - 1:12:16] not possible yeah sure so there is my national
security hat right okay what do I do see I do see
[1:12:34 - 1:12:39] capabilities now that's my national
security hat right so if you're paying me as a three-star
[1:12:49 - 1:12:54] off for a
second to put on my Louis studies on the hat okay do I see any evidence that they're here
[1:16:47 - 1:16:57] it subconsciously and let me if I can digress here for a
second hubris is is is really ultimately
[1:18:33 - 1:18:38] last maybe five
seconds of our existence as modern man on this planet last 120 years think about it
[1:22:38 - 1:22:46] your audience light travels at 186,000 miles per
second okay seven and a half seven and a half
[1:22:46 - 1:22:53] times around our planet in one
second imagine how far you can go in a year and now multiply that by
[1:29:33 - 1:29:37] here like you're saying something every two
seconds I'm like oh we could go there we could go there
[1:29:46 - 1:29:52] item shoot I bought listen listen just don't look at the comment
section okay just don't do that
[1:38:22 - 1:38:28] on the classified system on the high side with high side the top
secret system you could just do
[1:51:09 - 1:51:13] he's like I still have never given up that look I said this before I still maintain my
security
[1:52:38 - 1:52:44] right he he had an oath that said I swear to
secrecy anything them told to keep
secret in the government
[1:58:13 - 1:58:18] global reach now think about that for a
second think about that responsibility you today's day
[1:59:19 - 1:59:24] access to just about let me almost everything so you would have to keep a long running
secret and
[2:02:01 - 2:02:07] at him as an intel guy whose job is national
security going I'm sorry my Bible right like that do
[2:03:09 - 2:03:16] overlay their faith on a national level
security issue now is it that's trained that that
[2:05:45 - 2:05:54] truth man and they do things that don't think for one
second somebody who who hate to be crude here
[2:06:48 - 2:06:52] the person's name there was another individual that was part of the Under
secretary Defense for
[2:11:40 - 2:11:47] the
second door is you're either mostly telling the truth or like almost all the truth maybe
[2:13:31 - 2:13:35] disabled if you ask me to choose between national
security and disclosure like real national
security
[2:13:35 - 2:13:39] I will always choose national
security I've never meeting bones about it I love my country and I
[2:13:39 - 2:13:48] will protect and defend this country period full stop um
secondly um I want government accountability
[2:15:38 - 2:15:42] conversation like I said both from a national
security perspective but then there's the other part
[2:23:11 - 2:23:16] your interest in national
security good job that's the time to have a conversation I think that most
[2:23:16 - 2:23:20] of these people that kept us so
secret for so long actually believes in their heart they were
[2:24:23 - 2:24:28] so why admit a problem for which there is no solution I can understand from a national
security
[2:26:12 - 2:26:16] that's with a lot of things national
security there's a lot of things that we would keep people up
[2:33:32 - 2:33:38] actual rules and laws and regulations like
SEC violations that if if I do that and this company
[2:36:04 - 2:36:08] security or national interests whereby your house will put a highway right through it we'll do
[2:51:14 - 2:51:19] the last I don't know 80 years specifically or something like that because time is you know one
second
[2:54:37 - 2:54:41] together that's what makes a successful team that's why you
secure you have a great producer you
[3:00:17 - 3:00:22] are there there are people that are aware of it a lot of people it's kind of a bad kept
secret at
[3:04:56 - 3:04:59] anyone else on your team and on other
secret teams in the government don't know about each other
[3:06:47 - 3:06:54] really
secret so xyz xyz the problem is if it's overly compartmentalized the information that
[3:07:40 - 3:07:45] co and become the
secretary defense he brought him with him to the Pentagon it became the one of
[3:07:59 - 3:08:05] we didn't win the cold war because we kept better
secrets the Russians did we won the cold war
[3:08:35 - 3:08:39] keep a
secret for the sake of keeping a
secret because if it doesn't get to who it needs to get to
[3:08:39 - 3:08:44] then it's useless it you're wasting your time in your money
secret information is only valuable
[3:08:49 - 3:08:53] conversation I've always said about
secrets
secrets a lot of people think are like a fine wine
[3:08:58 - 3:09:02] think
secrets have a shelf life they're perishable they're like vegetables in your refrigerator
[3:09:05 - 3:09:09] going to stink and then you're going to have a bigger mess on your hands to clean up and so
secrets