[0:11:58 - 0:12:07] That's not true. They were involved. A couple of data points to support you before you go on is Robert S
arbacher said John Von Neumann was directly involved.
[0:12:19 - 0:12:25] That's exactly right. Yeah. Well, you Robert S
arbacher. You knew S
arbacher. Oh, absolutely. No way.
[0:12:25 - 0:12:33] Stan Friedman was a catalyst. And he introduced me to Robert S
arbacher and to other people.
[0:12:33 - 0:12:40] The big S
arbacher was involved and then we'll get back to that. Yeah, I knew S
arbacher was involved. In fact, I'll tell you a fairly weird story here.
[0:12:40 - 0:12:48] Stan gave me S
arbacher's number. And then he called me back and he said, S
arbacher is waiting for you to call him. He's very eager to talk to you.
[0:12:48 - 0:13:04] So I call S
arbacher. S
arbacher. Precise to tell me all kinds of detail about the materials that he was this was working on at the Patel Memorial Institute about how when
[0:14:06 - 0:14:20] So I called the UPS office and they came along and they picked it up to take it to S
arbacher. The next morning I get a call from the UPS guy on the scene saying we can't deliver it.
[0:14:26 - 0:14:36] Arbacher. Yeah. That came to him. Give me a chance. Well, the night he died. But that was after commune this must have been eighty.
[0:15:08 - 0:15:16] Well, the context around what was happening at this time is S
arbacher had just written a letter to William Steinman who's another UFO researcher.
[0:15:46 - 0:15:54] And I know he was very close with Thomas Towns and Brown, who was at mid century anti-gravity. He set up UFO secrecy. S
arbacher along with Oppenheimer.
[0:16:03 - 0:16:13] He was scrubbed from the internet. There is nothing on S
arbacher now. All you can see is a little memorial from, you know, I think it's some floor down in the open magazine.
[0:16:36 - 0:16:44] And if you read communion, you'll see my references to this, but I don't mention his name in communion because I was scared to that was S
arbacher.
[0:16:44 - 0:16:57] Well, S
arbacher's son has now gone on record saying my father told me that he used to put cameras on, you know, modified versions of V2 rockets in order to chase UFOs.
[0:17:04 - 0:17:17] That was more and more is coming out about S
arbacher and Ross Coltard has some interesting data points around some of the nuclear engineers old timers that he's met with in Australia, knowing who S
arbacher was.
[0:17:17 - 0:17:22] I think S
arbacher even taking a trip out there because they had their Wumara nuclear test site.
[0:17:27 - 0:17:40] When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was S
arbacher.
[0:17:40 - 0:17:49] How fascinating. It could S
arbacher spent a couple hours on the phone with me. So they knew they knew what was happening to me. They had to have known.
[0:17:49 - 0:18:05] Well, when when Townsend Brown finally achieved a positive result with his anti gravity experiments, this was in Paris. He flies back to the US and Robert S
arbacher picks him up in his big Cadillac.
[0:18:16 - 0:18:25] And he's written big textbooks. He was known for having, you know, an IQ of 200 plus. And I think having some correspondence with the S
arbacher.
[0:19:09 - 0:19:25] And now we're releasing this virtual model of extended electrodynamics, which you could say people like St
arbacher were probably looking into in the 50s because these are sort of microwave really extremely high up the electromagnetic scale, you know, very short wave lengths.