[0:11:58 - 0:12:07] That's not true. They were involved. A couple of data points to support you before you go on is Robert Sar
bacher said John Von Neumann was directly involved.
[0:12:19 - 0:12:25] That's exactly right. Yeah. Well, you Robert Sar
bacher. You knew Sar
bacher. Oh, absolutely. No way.
[0:12:25 - 0:12:33] Stan Friedman was a catalyst. And he introduced me to Robert Sar
bacher and to other people.
[0:12:33 - 0:12:40] The big Sar
bacher was involved and then we'll get back to that. Yeah, I knew Sar
bacher was involved. In fact, I'll tell you a fairly weird story here.
[0:12:40 - 0:12:48] Stan gave me Sar
bacher's number. And then he called me back and he said, Sar
bacher is waiting for you to call him. He's very eager to talk to you.
[0:12:48 - 0:13:04] So I call Sar
bacher. Sar
bacher. Precise to tell me all kinds of detail about the materials that he was this was working on at the Patel Memorial Institute about how when
[0:14:06 - 0:14:20] So I called the UPS office and they came along and they picked it up to take it to Sar
bacher. The next morning I get a call from the UPS guy on the scene saying we can't deliver it.
[0:14:26 - 0:14:36] Ar
bacher. Yeah. That came to him. Give me a chance. Well, the night he died. But that was after commune this must have been eighty.
[0:15:08 - 0:15:16] Well, the context around what was happening at this time is Sar
bacher had just written a letter to William Steinman who's another UFO researcher.
[0:15:46 - 0:15:54] And I know he was very close with Thomas Towns and Brown, who was at mid century anti-gravity. He set up UFO secrecy. Sar
bacher along with Oppenheimer.
[0:16:03 - 0:16:13] He was scrubbed from the internet. There is nothing on Sar
bacher now. All you can see is a little memorial from, you know, I think it's some floor down in the open magazine.
[0:16:36 - 0:16:44] And if you read communion, you'll see my references to this, but I don't mention his name in communion because I was scared to that was Sar
bacher.
[0:16:44 - 0:16:57] Well, Sar
bacher's son has now gone on record saying my father told me that he used to put cameras on, you know, modified versions of V2 rockets in order to chase UFOs.
[0:17:04 - 0:17:17] That was more and more is coming out about Sar
bacher and Ross Coltard has some interesting data points around some of the nuclear engineers old timers that he's met with in Australia, knowing who Sar
bacher was.
[0:17:17 - 0:17:22] I think Sar
bacher even taking a trip out there because they had their Wumara nuclear test site.
[0:17:27 - 0:17:40] When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was Sar
bacher.
[0:17:40 - 0:17:49] How fascinating. It could Sar
bacher spent a couple hours on the phone with me. So they knew they knew what was happening to me. They had to have known.
[0:17:49 - 0:18:05] Well, when when Townsend Brown finally achieved a positive result with his anti gravity experiments, this was in Paris. He flies back to the US and Robert Sar
bacher picks him up in his big Cadillac.
[0:18:16 - 0:18:25] And he's written big textbooks. He was known for having, you know, an IQ of 200 plus. And I think having some correspondence with the Sar
bacher.
[0:19:09 - 0:19:25] And now we're releasing this virtual model of extended electrodynamics, which you could say people like Star
bacher were probably looking into in the 50s because these are sort of microwave really extremely high up the electromagnetic scale, you know, very short wave lengths.
[1:38:11 - 1:38:20] I think Sir
Bacher had interest in what you went was it was it was a sir
Bacher I mean I was like you go so that organic or was that he did you have an interest specifically in you.
[1:38:20 - 1:38:27] Oh specifically that's why you asked sir
Bacher wanted me to write it all out. Oh wow. Yeah yeah that's something.