[1:10:49 - 1:10:58] After retiring, he co-founded to the stars Academy alongside Tom DeLong focusing on the study of UFOs and related phenomena. He also befriended Chris.

[1:22:39 - 1:22:56] And so we flew up there and got a piece, just a little piece of it, Fort Testing. And then Tom DeLon and Louis Elzando wanted some of it and they called me and I ended up letting them have three pieces as well.