[0:00:00 - 0:00:22] Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. My name is Andy and joining me once again today I have a journalist researcher filmmaker and director of several documentaries and series including his latest UFO revolution and of course, cohost of the hugely successful weaponized podcast with
George and that.
[0:11:31 - 0:11:37] All over here you touched on it with
George on the weaponized latest podcast it was about the Q&A which was cool to see that different format.
[0:15:38 - 0:15:45] They also wanted to know what
George and I would be reporting on for the next year if we have obtained and we were going to release anything.
[0:16:00 - 0:16:10] And when I saw the way that they were manipulating reality I mean look they fabricated congressional record this was kind of like a gift to me and
George.
[0:18:07 - 0:18:15] And look, this is this is a process when dealing with whistleblowers that there are others that have come to me and
George for many years we've gone through a vetting process.
[0:18:49 - 0:18:59] You know
George and I are reporting on it and I've been a conduit to some degree to get people in to get them vetted within Senate and House.
[0:35:15 - 0:35:35] And since then it seems like now we've gone from a place of having kind of one focal point to having lots of little focal points and we've got the soul foundation we've got Jeremy and
George we've got Lou we've got congressional caucus trying to do something they've got whistleblowers now coming out through other journalists at Ross Colter.
[0:35:45 - 0:35:56] I don't think it's a bad thing I think we need like I can't handle every case like I pass off cases more often than
George and I tackle them right.
[0:36:24 - 0:36:52] whistleblowers and people who are coming forward with this information whether it be visual data or which is
George and I have really focused on that but whether it be visual data or individuals I think there's a beauty to the divide and conquer aspect where you have people who are not directly associated digging into the same overall story I know it can be it can feel schizophrenic you know to people but.
[0:38:15 - 0:38:31] I think that's going to coalesce into something a little bit clearer as people come forward who have worked in these programs we know that the J straten who's been you know pretty quiet about it publicly it's not going on a bunch of shows and stuff he came on mine and
George is that that was pretty cool.
[0:42:23 - 0:42:39] I think that is always been straight with me has been jay strutten and to
George nap and you know if that changes we'll tell you you know but that that hasn't changed so what is the anticipation for statement like that in a film like this is coming out.
[0:43:11 - 0:43:32] So I hate it in the UFO world when we're so pessimistic about well that wasn't what I expected I mean I'm guilty of that too with hearing you know like wasn't exactly what I wanted but it was a step forward and I think we need to be patient some of us have been at this longer than others like
George has been out this 40 years.
[0:47:43 - 0:47:56] So Mike says as
George often says on weapon eyes the closer we get the harder the pushback do you think we're finally getting close or given the pushback is catastrophic disclosure more inevitable.
[0:48:26 - 0:48:41] The closer you get to the goodies
George does say this and he's right the more pushback you get so I have experienced that
George has experienced that there are a lot of people that don't want us to report on some of what we've obtained.
[0:55:09 - 0:55:38] George said as much again in the latest weapon I used about you know it's billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer's money is going to these things and actually I was just speaking today to John Blitch and I don't know what Georgia the interview is going to go out and he talked about he's got a book that's going to come out and he's trying to put forward the case that there has to be elements of forgiveness to people in the government people outside the government potentially some of the NHI themselves because into abductions.
[0:57:25 - 0:57:55] I think Americans would be like I get it that was an expensive toilet seat but really glad you did it because we were really under threat and people didn't really know how bad it was right so that would be the argument for okaying that black budget right but I brought that up with
George a couple times wanted to see his perspective and he says of course there should be some reconciliation and there should be some you know basic forgiveness he goes but to
[0:57:55 - 0:58:25] what degree because
George is old school he's seen it happen we watched a certain people have been threatened and penalized for even just speaking to us right like threatening emails from high up all the way down like don't talk to journalists don't talk to these guys so we've seen the the reprisals that have been put on people and
George made a good point he goes yeah that makes sense to a degree but where do you draw the line
[0:59:19 - 0:59:29] Josh says a few years ago both Jeremy and
George hinted that there were at least four UFO programs can Jeremy elaborate on that any further
[1:01:22 - 1:01:51] A personal highlight for me was when I spoke to
George I think back in December I spoke to
George about his new series and I asked him a question about we were talking about alien abductions and I asked him had he ever come across any research or programs where aspects of the government and the legacy programs whatever they may be had found a way to bring on abductions and trigger them themselves and is that something you have come across or can talk on.
[1:01:52 - 1:02:18] You know my I like to stay within what I know to be the case I do believe that
George has been exposed to significant amounts of information related to UFO programs that as a journalist not many people have been and I think he is perfectly positioned to talk about that.
[1:03:31 - 1:04:00] That that would suck you know I have been exposed to some reporting on military observed like implants and stuff like that that have been studied now my ability to put a value on that is is not as good as maybe
George nap or people that that actually ran some of these programs that looked at this stuff so I hope they talk for themselves I wonder if people like Dr. column color her would know more about that.