[0:10:17 - 0:10:29] And playing the whistle or game is dangerous you know people's lives their whole economics you know they have children they have medical insurance they have clearances.

[0:27:06 - 0:27:35] Tim Gallaudet wonderful position but seems to be limited in terms of what he can provide outside of one base incident he was a part of almost indirectly and that's not to take away from what he can provide going forward and contribute given his knowledge and his rank mic gold I think in theory sounded great and then what we got from mic wasn't maybe necessarily what I hoped for.

[0:27:36 - 0:28:05] I think that could have partly been down to a lot of the questions put to him and who they were put from and then like I say Michael Shellenberger again highly respected journalist you could have sat a cardboard cut out there you know and you'd have probably got similar and just attached a document to them because he representing someone else's story you know so I don't know if part of that is just the impact that the the grush hearing had and the kind of bombshells and the

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