[1:50:10 - 1:50:17] In my opinion, Kirk Packer, because a shill for somebody, possibly CIA, DIA, NSA, whoever.

[1:51:07 - 1:51:19] And they, they quote took notes. And then the culmination, of course, was when Kirk Packer addressed Senator Gillibrand's committee in April of 23 and said,

[1:51:34 - 1:51:44] Arrow betrayed us. Kirk Packer betrayed us. You know, we, we stuck our necks out and talked about UFO shutting down our nuclear missiles in the 60s and 70s.