[0:15:42 - 0:15:48] and let's go back let's go back to the limits okay with Dave Fraver and Alex Dietrich and that

[0:33:15 - 0:33:21] things that I think distinguished David grushes testimony along with Ryan Graves and Dave Fraver was

[0:03:23 - 0:03:33] Well, let's take an example, TickTack, the TickTack incident off the Southern California coast, recorded in 2004, US Navy, Aviators Dave Fraver, they encounter this thing.

[0:03:33 - 0:03:53] And you and I had reported on it for a while, then it becomes part of the New York time story in December 2017 and kaboom. It's explosive. The power of that video and Dave Fraver's testimony made that I think the most me the most consequential UFO of all time in a sense because there was something to see and yet testimony to back it up.