[0:16:39 - 0:16:44] Sure, we can all deduce that from what was reported by Michael Shellenberger. No problem

[0:18:38 - 0:18:43] Michael Shellenberger said that members of Congress are made aware that is 100% true

[0:19:29 - 0:19:34] That has been referenced in some reports Michael Shellenberger has said there's a 20 something page document

[0:27:36 - 0:28:05] I think that could have partly been down to a lot of the questions put to him and who they were put from and then like I say Michael Shellenberger again highly respected journalist you could have sat a cardboard cut out there you know and you'd have probably got similar and just attached a document to them because he representing someone else's story you know so I don't know if part of that is just the impact that the the grush hearing had and the kind of bombshells and the