[0:49:38 - 0:49:43] John Mack as well, right? Yes, that was part of the betrayal. And he, I think he was, he was moved
[0:49:43 - 0:49:49] his funds over into people who met well, like
John Mack. I knew
John Mack pretty well. But
[0:49:49 - 0:49:55] did you like
John Mack? Did he find him to be an honest actor? He was doing the best he could with
[0:50:08 - 0:50:13] cards for the audience.
John Mack, head of the Harvard Psychiatry Department. They did all work with
[0:51:11 - 0:51:17] called stage craft doing this. Now,
John Mack didn't know that, but Hopkins didn't know that.
[2:06:16 - 2:06:23] but hopkins or
john mack now they didn't know that i was debriefing people who are the ones operating