[0:00:03 - 0:00:07] men in dark suits. And then I heard about it like a number of other
times. I heard about it with
[0:03:34 - 0:03:37] This is pretty cool. This is your second
time in a skiff. My second
time in a skiff.
[0:05:39 - 0:05:46] for a long
time. So you're familiar face to them. The program was incredible. It was such a much
[0:06:01 - 0:06:08] to really encompass the entirety of what's going on currently. Like it is a
timepiece. It is
[0:06:08 - 0:06:15] something that will be forever cemented in
time as, hey, this is what's happening now. This will
[0:06:25 - 0:06:31] which still blows my mind that you can have
time for that. But hats off to you as a creator. Thank you.
[0:07:35 - 0:07:41] quite honestly, we're living in a
time which is unprecedented
time of a coordinated push for
[0:11:10 - 0:11:16] first
time you've encountered that type of spooky behavior. No, but that was the earliest.
[0:11:31 - 0:11:38] So I probably heard about these these these in
timidators. They they obvious gate, they
[0:11:38 - 0:11:46] in
timidate they they're they're in
timidating. And they come and if there's evidence, they'll take
[0:11:53 - 0:11:59] And I heard about these since I probably the first
time when I was investigating the Phoenix
[0:12:11 - 0:12:16] you know, man in dark suits. And then I heard about it like a number of other
times. I heard about it
[0:14:07 - 0:14:15] suits at Shudderborough House of very in
timidating, very scary, and very just scary and in
timidating.
[0:16:00 - 0:16:04] in uniform, but they basically in
timidated him and scared the bj's out of him. You silenced him
[0:17:00 - 0:17:06] years ago. Right. Well over 20 years ago because I was like, how every
time we didn't have
[0:17:49 - 0:17:58] you know, for a long
time. And then we cover that case. Thank God to David Clark because David Clark
[0:21:38 - 0:21:42] okay, well, how many
times did he say it? I was like, a lot. He's like, what? Couple
times. I was
[0:22:21 - 0:22:25] like, you know, he's very passionate and he's obviously been sitting on this story for a long
time.
[0:22:53 - 0:22:57] during the interview and then he said it a couple
times, but it was really funny. We're having this
[0:23:34 - 0:23:40] exchange like? Because I know a lot of
times, a lot of these people, like as we mentioned, are scared,
[0:23:40 - 0:23:48] are threatened. So what is your sort of go to tactic to get them to open up? Is it just
time or
[0:23:54 - 0:23:58] I try not to read the comments. George and Ab always tell me don't read the comments. And some
times
[0:25:00 - 0:25:04] in the world. I'm never coming forward and then just spend a little
time with them. And magic can
[0:25:31 - 0:25:37] tes
timony is the rare stuff that we found. Like, there are, I mean, obviously, you know, seeing,
[0:26:39 - 0:26:43] coat everything and organize something, then I'll, I'll, in the
timeline, I'll put the video
[0:26:53 - 0:26:58] I stack it. And some
times I just don't find a place for it in the movie. It just doesn't fit,
[0:27:02 - 0:27:07] GM's golden moments. And I, I put them off to the end of the
timeline. And then I, I stack them
[0:27:26 - 0:27:32] He says, you know, we put people, we sentence people to death based on eyewitness tes
timony.
[0:27:39 - 0:27:44] what a really good point. He's totally right. Like eyewitness tes
timony is relevant when it comes
[0:28:37 - 0:28:40] but I was ul
timately the director and I got to override even though these guys were 10 years my
[0:29:16 - 0:29:22] argument with my buddy
Tim Coleman over it. He forgave me in the end. But and then I had some
[0:29:30 - 0:29:36] that. It turned out to be kind of right. And some
times people are maybe exposed to disinformation
[0:30:22 - 0:30:29] to witnesses and have a legi
timate, you know, experience and then get manipulated post-experience
[0:30:41 - 0:30:46] And some
times I think that's a deliberate effort to obfuscate the whole thing. Yeah. Right?
[0:32:18 - 0:32:25] the movies. It's incredible. Colonel Coleman at the
time was, was, was either Presley his own
[0:33:33 - 0:33:39] Travis Walton, I remember the first
time I met him, I will some
times close my eyes and I'll get
[0:39:43 - 0:39:50] legi
timate UFO landing that was captured on film footage. In fact, I've talked to people about it
[0:40:52 - 0:40:58] Yeah. It's a preponderance of eyewitness tes
timony. I mean, pretty much, I mean, if you go to the town
[0:43:00 - 0:43:04] I remember it. I was kind of new to it. I was only in it for a few years at this
time,
[0:43:30 - 0:43:33] I think it was the mayor of the
time. He said he was white as a ghost. Saw some of the stuff and he
[0:47:26 - 0:47:32] unprecedented
time right now. Witnesses are starting to feel a little more comfortable. It's more,
[0:49:14 - 0:49:20] So
time. So he's probably, he's out there. And if you are out there and you're listening to this,
[0:49:55 - 0:50:00] and go there and take my
time. And I want to thank you for teaching me that. That's, that's a really,
[0:50:00 - 0:50:06] really valuable lesson for me. And some
times it's okay. Like when I did out of the blue and I,
[0:50:38 - 0:50:42] was the film was not ready for prime
time. So I went back at it for like, and I remember I fell
[0:53:08 - 0:53:13] just said, you set out to make that happen to. And some
times it aligns with the vision. And some
times
[0:53:31 - 0:53:34] I was like, all right, I'm going at it one more
time. And that's when I did the phenomenon
[0:53:40 - 0:53:45] on the subject. So it's, I mean, that's and you know, and that that was the first
time I went
[0:54:01 - 0:54:05] And then right when I finished it, we are going to have for the first
time in my whole career,
[0:59:56 - 1:00:02] But then we went back with tes
timony from the other fellow doctors talked about it.
[1:05:22 - 1:05:27] significant event, right? So, but some
times you doubt yourself, like particularly early on, like when
[1:08:45 - 1:08:53] Yeah. I mean, so I did this thing on Reddit recently. And it was basically the first
time this
[1:13:58 - 1:14:10] Very disturbing to them. Yeah. And I asked him, what was it like like like afterwards? He was like, I had a hard
time coming home and like processing, wrapping my mind around.
[1:15:14 - 1:15:31] This changes everything. And when I would come home from a month at a
time investigating and I'm knocking on doors meeting with witness doctors, military guys, firemen like people that drove the, I mean, we were digging into this damn case. I wanted to know so bad.
[1:15:43 - 1:15:54] mind, right? And I remember the last
time I went, I got back and I had to see an end at my house with Leslie Cane. And I just gotten back from my last trip. I shot the whole movie.
[1:18:54 - 1:19:22] Like you don't even know how to process what you're looking at. Put me there, put me there with that score. In particular, I remember when the children had face to face contact, you know, in Ruiz and Bobway or when the, again, the children had face to face contacts. Like when you made eye contact with that creature, god damn it, I want to be there. Yeah, where to feel like what kind of communication took place did communication day place did
time stop.
[1:19:58 - 1:20:10] unfamiliar. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, sorry, me. And we, you know, we talked about this a little bit, but there had to have been
times where
[1:20:40 - 1:20:54] Like I mean, for reasons of like vacations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everybody like particularly the Intel folks had to approve everything. Wow. And some even had to get a
timer of the acronym DOPSER.
[1:21:32 - 1:22:02] Pretty much like, oh, what are you talking about? Yeah. I don't even read lips. And I was like, I don't know exactly what he. Oh, my God. And you just lay the image of the Google maps right over it. I'm like, oh, that's cute. That's cute that they asked him to so funny. Yeah. Interesting. But there has been
times where like has it ever bummed you out where you're like really? Like, so I just, I just got some information on crash retrieval stuff recently that was like, oh, wow. And so I asked this individual that that I tried.
[1:22:02 - 1:22:31] And I went after this individual. It was in the middle of the not come to me. I had known about this individual, and I was for a long
time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And finally we got, you know, and this individual shared some fucking wow stuff with me. So I said, hey, I'm about to do this whole circuit of interviews every
time my films come out. I'll go the rounds and do the podcast and the radio interviews. Obviously, spread the words for my for my movie. Can I just say I heard it somewhere? No, no, no, no, no, no, not even.
[1:24:53 - 1:24:59] Well, the first
time I heard about Virginia, I was, I was, I was mapping out out of the blue.
[1:24:59 - 1:25:06] And I had this partner,
Tim Coleman, British guy, very smart. And
Tim's like, you know, I was like,
[1:25:42 - 1:25:49] Like he came across as really grounded, pragmatic, intelligent. And yet, and I was, I had a really hard
time,
[1:26:03 - 1:26:10] Didn't look into that case for at least 10 years. And then I remember the next
time I heard about Virginia was 2011.
[1:28:53 - 1:29:01] Yeah, and I was actually going to go investigate that case. I was I was doing pickup interviews for the
time it might have been out of the blue.
[1:30:19 - 1:30:29] So I had a whole camera crew ready to go. So we jumped on a plane and poo went went to Steve Stephenville, Texas. It was amazing. And that was like, I mean, the whole
time they had a.
[1:32:47 - 1:33:00] And this is what I had a hard
time with. If something was to leave in my mind, it should pivot up and go like an airplane would. This did not do that.
[1:33:27 - 1:33:32] Well, there were there were a number of things that were happening to him at the
time. And that's probably one of the reasons why he wouldn't he.
[1:33:38 - 1:33:49] I was like, oh my god, this guy's tes
timony is golden. Like this is so rare that you get to talk to somebody who stood under a UFO and examined it with a scope like.
[1:35:44 - 1:35:50] Those came right out of you know, closing count. So yeah, closing count of the first kind right you see you off a close kind of the second
time.
[1:39:15 - 1:39:32] So I was like, cool. Yeah. Give me the address. And like a day later, the, I live in a small town at the
time. And the FedEx driver was like, Jim Fox, you're not going to believe this. You came right out to my door. He goes, you got a letter from Larry King. It's a FedEx from Larry King's office.
[1:42:52 - 1:42:58] At the beginning of this episode, I welcomed you into the skiff for the second
time. Yeah.
[1:48:21 - 1:48:27] And I start talking openly about this other guy was there the entire
time as well.
[1:48:28 - 1:48:31] Kusklauski, but the other guy was the other guy was there the whole
time, the whole
time.
[1:53:07 - 1:53:11] you've got the former head of the CIA, Roscoe Hillencoder, quote, in the New York
Times,
[1:54:08 - 1:54:13] I disagree with it now entirely, but maybe they will legi
timately try to figure out what the hell is going on.
[1:56:52 - 1:56:55] And the fact that we got him out of the States at the
time when George Bush had called it
[1:59:37 - 1:59:42] And if I could, I've thought about that many
times, if I could just put myself somewhere
[2:04:44 - 2:04:47] But I believe some
times I'll believe something just enough to put it out there
[2:07:25 - 2:07:28] you know, maybe, maybe it's that, maybe it's
time travelers, maybe it's us coming