[1:00:20 - 1:00:26] You know, there's like friends with like James Randy back in the day was at University of Oregon, also went through everything.

[0:59:56 - 0:59:58] But you mentioned James Randy.

[1:00:18 - 1:00:24] He's again, a colleague of James Randys, along with Jessica Utt who is the president of the