[0:03:18 - 0:03:36] That was surprising to me, but, um, okay, so who was Plato? So obviously, you know, probably most people know Plato was the student of
Socrates and in most of Plato's dialogues, which is most of what we have of his writings,
Socrates is the main character, though not in all of them.
[0:03:36 - 0:03:42] And it's pretty clear that
Socrates does not always speak for Plato, which I think is important even in the Republic.
[0:03:54 - 0:04:06] It's a time of like great political strife, you know,
Socrates himself was a victim of capital punishment that had a lot to do with the politics going on at the time.
[0:05:16 - 0:05:26] But the characters are obviously
Socrates and two other characters are Glaucom and Adamantus who were Plato's half brothers.
[0:06:20 - 0:06:30] Okay. So the dialogue then begins with
Socrates and the guys are here for this religious festival and they're invited to a party.
[0:07:56 - 0:08:09] Okay. So at that point, then, you know, what is justice gets raised and how philosophy breaks out. Okay. And there's a really vehement to babe between
Socrates and Thursemicus. Eventually Thursemicus has had enough and leaves.
[0:08:09 - 0:08:19] And then Adam, that mantis and glaucom take up his position as like devil, does all advocates and they debate with
Socrates what justice is.
[0:08:42 - 0:08:56] And maybe the most important one is the one that's mentioned the least. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's I feel like it's thought of as this. What is the ideal state, especially vis-a-vis maybe you know
Socrates is death where you know,
[0:11:24 - 0:11:42] And it's a not so thin reference to
Socrates. Okay. And interesting what Plato has
Socrates say when when he's asked, you know, would we have to make the philosopher go back? He says, well, in our city, meaning the ideal city that we're thinking of, the philosopher would owe his education to the city.
[0:14:57 - 0:15:11] And he stumbles around as if he's blind. So he looks like a fool. Right. He presses people that there's more of the world, what you're seeing is an illusion, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, famously, it ends badly for him. Just as an end of for
Socrates, very badly.
[0:21:30 - 0:22:00] think I'm going to say it. At the end of the myth er goes back to temporal life, but unlike everyone else, he's granted memory of where he's been. Okay. And um, playtale throughout his writings has
socrates defend the notion that all knowledge is actually recollection of something that we already had. Okay. And so I think what, what you're getting here. Is. Is this suggestion that like our relationship to the ultimate tree? A story. What Do you think is the same? Who do you think is the wrong idea?
[0:22:50 - 0:22:55] that Plato does in the phato. He has
Socrates, he has
Socrates saying the phato, which interestingly,
[1:34:13 - 1:34:19] play to
Socrates.
Socrates. Soficale's alcibiades was famously in trouble for talking about the
[1:40:09 - 1:40:15] this is unworkable right and
Socrates replies by saying oh yeah you're right but it's the ideal
[1:40:53 - 1:40:57] is sort of a sequel to the republic right it's like the day after the party and
Socrates says
[1:59:52 - 1:59:58] well known to ourselves okay and it's direct kind of you know F you to
Socrates you know