[0:01:39 - 0:01:58] And it was during that time that I met some people from the Pentagon, who were running the, it was a lose group that was running the ATI program and through John
Alexander actually ran into John
Alexander.
[0:01:58 - 0:02:21] And at a conference and
Alexander heard my story and my wife's story and he came to visit us and then he took the data back to to a lab and this is some stuff that came on my wife's face.
[1:13:33 - 1:13:38] Alexander Wenton. I came over the other gentleman's name from Ohio State. And I'm basically saying,
[1:15:30 - 1:15:35] You know, I from the sort of the John
Alexander school, I mean, he, I saw a presentation he did