[0:58:36 - 0:59:04] So I find out who is he with. Yeah, he was with Ubudur, Ubudur Jada Rodriguez. It was a very prominent UFO researcher that happened to do like at one point, he was the biggest advocate that this happened. There's no question. We have all these witnesses to nothing to have daughter to nothing happened. And it was all just a big, you know, blah, blah. So he did at one point he did a one A. So now this guy won't even meet with me. He's one rear Roger Lear. He's deceased.

[1:17:31 - 1:17:34] There was a guy named Roger Lear.

[1:17:34 - 1:17:37] Roger Lear found out, these are people that I really want to meet.

[1:35:35 - 1:35:39] and Dr. Roger Lear's book, one of my biggest regrets,

[1:36:07 - 1:36:09] Roger Lear, Dr. Roger Lear, and he's going,

[1:37:16 - 1:37:18] And according to Dr. Roger Lear's book,

[1:24:53 - 1:24:57] And we're going to study it with Roger Lear and you know we finally figured out what this thing is.

[1:27:49 - 1:27:59] Oh listen I studied a lot of them with Bill I mean Bill and I became close friends and we studied lots of the ones that Roger Lear was producing from here in LA.

[2:09:04 - 2:09:08] But they did do they went after it Roger Lear had the same thing happen they get went after him