[0:11:58 - 0:12:07] That's not true. They were involved. A couple of data points to support you before you go on is Robert
Sarbacher said John Von Neumann was directly involved.
[0:12:19 - 0:12:25] That's exactly right. Yeah. Well, you Robert
Sarbacher. You knew
Sarbacher. Oh, absolutely. No way.
[0:12:25 - 0:12:33] Stan Friedman was a catalyst. And he introduced me to Robert
Sarbacher and to other people.
[0:12:33 - 0:12:40] The big
Sarbacher was involved and then we'll get back to that. Yeah, I knew
Sarbacher was involved. In fact, I'll tell you a fairly weird story here.
[0:12:40 - 0:12:48] Stan gave me
Sarbacher's number. And then he called me back and he said,
Sarbacher is waiting for you to call him. He's very eager to talk to you.
[0:12:48 - 0:13:04] So I call
Sarbacher.
Sarbacher. Precise to tell me all kinds of detail about the materials that he was this was working on at the Patel Memorial Institute about how when
[0:14:06 - 0:14:20] So I called the UPS office and they came along and they picked it up to take it to
Sarbacher. The next morning I get a call from the UPS guy on the scene saying we can't deliver it.
[0:15:08 - 0:15:16] Well, the context around what was happening at this time is
Sarbacher had just written a letter to William Steinman who's another UFO researcher.
[0:15:46 - 0:15:54] And I know he was very close with Thomas Towns and Brown, who was at mid century anti-gravity. He set up UFO secrecy.
Sarbacher along with Oppenheimer.
[0:16:03 - 0:16:13] He was scrubbed from the internet. There is nothing on
Sarbacher now. All you can see is a little memorial from, you know, I think it's some floor down in the open magazine.
[0:16:36 - 0:16:44] And if you read communion, you'll see my references to this, but I don't mention his name in communion because I was scared to that was
Sarbacher.
[0:16:44 - 0:16:57] Well,
Sarbacher's son has now gone on record saying my father told me that he used to put cameras on, you know, modified versions of V2 rockets in order to chase UFOs.
[0:17:04 - 0:17:17] That was more and more is coming out about
Sarbacher and Ross Coltard has some interesting data points around some of the nuclear engineers old timers that he's met with in Australia, knowing who
Sarbacher was.
[0:17:17 - 0:17:22] I think
Sarbacher even taking a trip out there because they had their Wumara nuclear test site.
[0:17:27 - 0:17:40] When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was
Sarbacher.
[0:17:40 - 0:17:49] How fascinating. It could
Sarbacher spent a couple hours on the phone with me. So they knew they knew what was happening to me. They had to have known.
[0:17:49 - 0:18:05] Well, when when Townsend Brown finally achieved a positive result with his anti gravity experiments, this was in Paris. He flies back to the US and Robert
Sarbacher picks him up in his big Cadillac.
[0:18:16 - 0:18:25] And he's written big textbooks. He was known for having, you know, an IQ of 200 plus. And I think having some correspondence with the
Sarbacher.