[0:59:12 - 0:59:19] a good friend of mine. My career came out. I saw David Grush was brave enough to come out of that guy.

[1:17:00 - 1:17:06] It's crazy. You have those two things. And then you also have the David Grush revelations that

[1:17:25 - 1:17:30] two a lot of things, I think, at the Pentagon said something like AI, quantum, plus the Grush stuff.

[1:38:42 - 1:38:48] about all of this is like it all corroborates and it all checks and like you speak to grush and

[0:16:11 - 0:16:16] officer, David Grush, testifies under oath that there is a crash retrieval program and

[0:16:38 - 0:16:43] And then you had the second congressional hearing, which was David Grush, which was absolutely

[0:20:12 - 0:20:16] The reason why I don't is because, okay, I don't just believe Grush because he testified

[0:20:20 - 0:20:26] I believe Grush because his claims, aligned with my personal research in the field, remember

[0:29:07 - 0:29:10] This time it was David Grush talking about the crash retrieval program.

[0:29:35 - 0:29:36] Because you wanted to get hold of David Grush.

[0:30:18 - 0:30:20] And you said, hey, can you get me in touch with David Grush?

[1:19:56 - 1:19:59] Why can't they just say, why can't David Grush just tell us?

[1:19:59 - 1:20:03] You know, well, I can remind people that the DOD has stripped David Grush of his clearances

[1:20:18 - 1:20:23] I'm imagine it's the DOD to prevent Grush from going into a skip with members of Congress

[1:20:57 - 1:20:59] It's probably why they won't let Grush get into a skip.

[1:20:59 - 1:21:03] So here's another thing I'd like to mention is that David Grush claims that he gave

[1:25:43 - 1:25:47] I believe David Grush, who testified, not just because he testified.

[0:05:45 - 0:05:56] Okay, great. During the July 26, 2023 hearing, Nancy Mase, David Grush, do you believe the government has made contact with ET's Grush responded?

[0:22:03 - 0:22:08] where David Grush testified under oath, he talked about satellite imagery. He's seen that with

[0:27:55 - 0:28:00] Yeah. How put up brought something up in your film that David Grush has also brought up that if,

[0:40:51 - 0:40:56] Oh my God, I have to ask you this, you know, because David Grush brought this up.

[0:40:59 - 0:41:05] And David Grush has brought up, he didn't say he knows it's true, but he's maybe suspicious that

[0:45:44 - 0:45:47] Yeah, do you think he was one of the 40 witnesses that David Grush referenced?

[0:47:52 - 0:47:56] really wanted to ask him about David Grush because he had just testified in open,

[0:48:07 - 0:48:12] out the gate and I was like, God, I really wanted to ask him about David Grush and thank God.

[0:48:12 - 0:48:17] Another individual came up and just nailed it. So I got my two questions. You got the David Grush in.

[0:48:39 - 0:48:45] him to say. But he went out and did a hatchet job on Grush. It was so blatantly obvious

[0:49:26 - 0:49:31] literally split screen with Grush in the edit room and I really worked hard putting that whole

[0:49:47 - 0:49:52] are crashing, but some of them are actually landing. And Grush has said the same thing. Grush has said

[0:53:55 - 0:53:59] I know you covered grush. You did cover grush. You did a great job covering grushing your film.

[0:53:59 - 0:54:05] Very accurate, very concise. What happened to grushes op ed number one and number two, when is

[0:54:05 - 0:54:11] grush going to get in a skiff with members of Congress? I don't know, you know, my ass

[0:54:12 - 0:54:17] brachette about that. And he basically said that that grush

[0:54:18 - 0:54:24] clearances were stripped and that he can't get into his gift because they will not give grush.

[0:54:46 - 0:54:50] getting the necessary details to verify the claims that grush has made because they know it's

[2:22:01 - 2:22:07] what did you think of I mean you mentioned him earlier but when when Dave Grush came out and went

[2:23:13 - 2:23:19] this craft and take it back which is what David Grush said you know with some of the evidence he

[2:23:19 - 2:23:24] had access to yeah you've covered the minute the magenta case long before David Grush came actually

[2:23:26 - 2:23:32] it wasn't in my first book I mean it was it was Grush's testimony that made me sort of pull that one

[2:24:55 - 2:25:03] so I mean the 33 thing was great and I applaud Grush for you know kicking me in the pants so to speak

[0:05:51 - 0:05:58] you need a mechanism legally to bring it out because number one, as Mr. Grush rightly

[0:17:37 - 0:17:44] But people who were never firsthand in the projects like Mr. Grush, they don't know which

[0:36:03 - 0:36:08] by the way, Mr. Grush has been deceived with this kind of information, disinformation very

[0:58:38 - 0:58:42] That other reason this is important, this is where Mr. Grush made a big error.

[1:07:24 - 1:07:29] When Grush and others say, you know, we've had these craft, we reverse engineer them.

[1:22:49 - 1:22:54] One of the things that Mr. Grush said to me part way into his journey in this,

[0:21:11 - 0:21:25] Every person watching this knows that we need to meet with Mr. Grush in a secure compartmentalized facility so that we can get full some answers that do not put him in jeopardy and that give us the information we need.

[0:24:54 - 0:25:10] If they tell you that stuff, it's secret. You're not allowed to talk about it unless the press has been out there. But anyway, and that's a trap. That's what they want to do with David Grush. They want to get him in the skiff. Let's get this information.

[0:41:19 - 0:41:25] There are multiple witnesses coming forward to say that have firsthand knowledge, and Mr. Grush just covered that.

[0:58:25 - 0:58:45] I'm going to say that's an important issue and I'm grateful for your time. My name is David Charles grush I was an intelligence officer for 14 years in the both in the US Air Force both active duty international garden reserve at the rank of major and most recently from 2021 to 2025 or just be 2023.

[1:02:34 - 1:02:41] I just think that I know Grush, known him for some time.

[0:30:25 - 0:30:29] Yeah, and it popped up when Dave grush came forward when he gave his testimony

[0:30:36 - 0:30:42] There's a spike in google requests under that term. Wow, which is weird because grush didn't mention it

[0:31:11 - 0:31:16] To David grush and I remember this moment where I had to get very socially awkward my wife said

[0:31:25 - 0:31:30] Chuck McCullough needed to sit behind David grush so he could do what he did over and over which is leaning and say

[0:31:33 - 0:31:40] Because everybody is looking for David grush to speak outside of his dopsur or his pre publication agreement

[0:31:57 - 0:32:03] Conversations with David grush because he came to you and me first by leaning in I got that point on film

[0:32:47 - 0:32:52] Sitting behind grush leaning in and saying that so the big picture is this

[0:10:06 - 0:10:10] to his formerly undisclosed work with David Grush.

[0:39:59 - 0:40:06] It's especially interesting in light of the revelation my friend Walter Kernbroke after his conversation with David Grush.

[0:51:06 - 0:51:13] But as we've heard from UFO whistleblower David Grush, the original intent of the program was actually far more ambitious.

[1:09:12 - 1:09:17] David Grush, July 26, 2023, testified before Congress.

[1:10:24 - 1:10:34] And Grush said very interesting stuff around the atomic classification system, basically overlaying UFO secrecy.

[1:20:23 - 1:20:34] So Dave said that Dave Grush said that Oppenheimer was part of setting up the original UFO secrecy protocols with the Atomic Energy Commission.

[1:21:13 - 1:21:19] He, you know, there's this 1971 Australian document actually that Grush cites a lot.

[0:03:48 - 0:03:50] and get to your connections with David Grush and all that.

[1:38:24 - 1:38:30] features command and he was on the uap task force with David grush if you take him at face value

[1:42:27 - 1:42:31] say and and i want i want to get to grush and all of zondo and stuff obviously you have a

[1:42:32 - 1:42:36] uh long term relationship you you you have with david grush i think you were like one of the first

[2:06:30 - 2:06:36] right yeah what's your thought on the characters that have come out and we'll get to grush but

[2:08:48 - 2:08:54] some interesting revelations there but as far vis-a-vis the grush stuff where it's like no we have like

[2:09:00 - 2:09:05] ball forward now I wouldn't say he's as much the tip of the spear I think the grush stuff is a little

[2:16:34 - 2:16:41] at this point grush bringing forward 40 you know accused legacy people like from the you know the

[2:34:28 - 2:34:36] your boy grushed bravely I think brought up yeah and that's that's a really you know that stuff

[2:34:40 - 2:34:46] but we've been putting it off all day let's let's go there on grush yeah I just got to take a piss

[2:34:53 - 2:35:01] David grush yeah so you knew him before he went public and everything happened you know what in the

[2:35:49 - 2:35:55] somebody you should probably meet and so that's when he introduced me to grush what yours this was

[2:43:34 - 2:43:39] because you have colleagues of grushes coming out you published the 2017 stuff why wouldn't you

[2:43:40 - 2:43:45] grush that's total double double standard right there but like second of all you have like

[2:43:46 - 2:43:51] pretty unimpeachable colleagues of grushes guys like Carl Nell who set up army futures command

[2:43:58 - 2:44:04] credentials and then grush coming out and saying what he's saying that itself is a story and you can

[2:51:19 - 2:51:25] own epistemics in some ways more so then yeah and then you you you have the people like grush

[2:52:27 - 2:52:31] what he revealed and then I have a question about some of those findings yeah sure so grush yes

[1:07:04 - 1:07:12] And I remember people feeling discouraged after David Grush came forward and testified under oath to a bipartisan group of lawmakers.

[1:10:23 - 1:10:26] And I don't just believe David Grush,

[2:22:09 - 2:22:13] because, you know, David Grush comes forward and says all the things he says and it's

[2:22:13 - 2:22:14] amazing, Grush wearings.

[2:22:17 - 2:22:19] I think they did a hit job on Mr. Grush.

[2:37:31 - 2:37:36] Dave, Dave Grush told me he's going back to DC sometime in the next week or so.

[2:39:14 - 2:39:18] He emailed me after I did my piece with Grush and he was like, actually, it was like

[3:08:47 - 3:08:47] Or David Grush.

[0:02:22 - 0:02:29] Grush, a former senior, very senior intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence

[0:03:31 - 0:03:39] Now, even before I met David Grush, I knew this was true. The reason I met David Grush was because

[0:52:31 - 0:52:37] who are still in the program. Obviously, David Grush had considerable courage in coming forward.

[0:54:25 - 0:54:30] grush interview. Great work. Really want you to know we're in on this. We're really committed.

[0:01:46 - 0:01:48] And Grush is sort of like, that's an interesting thing

[0:01:56 - 0:01:59] David Grush is that UFO whistleblower

[0:46:54 - 0:47:01] reported on it and in July of 2023 the highest level intelligence officer David Grush testifies

[0:49:23 - 0:49:31] group or small group of people is behind covering this stuff up they also I think grush was threatened

[0:49:31 - 0:49:38] I think grush had some stuff go down yeah yeah so have you experienced anything like that and are

[0:04:39 - 0:04:46] UFO disclosure world feel very frustrated because last year, you have David Grush from the National Geospatial

[0:05:42 - 0:05:48] you know, not a lot has happened since. And I'm friends with Grush and I do trust him. And I think

[0:47:39 - 0:47:44] I consider Grush a really good friend at this point. Sure. And it's like these guys are pretty

[0:48:08 - 0:48:14] Because my belief is like I take it face value and fully trust David Grush when he says that he

[0:48:20 - 0:48:27] of hinted at this in my interview with Grush is like whatever the defection is from the internal

[2:53:11 - 2:53:14] Like Grush has said that on record in an interview with me.

[0:18:51 - 0:18:58] Yeah, look, you know, when David Grush came out and talked about all these reverse engineering

[0:19:21 - 0:19:23] That's been confirmed by a number of people other than Dan Grush.

[0:50:46 - 0:50:54] in the UFO phenomenon. And this is why Grush keeps saying when they ask him about 1933. So it was 1933

[1:59:18 - 1:59:23] Uh, and like David Grush was going in under a more official investigation of investigative

[1:59:32 - 1:59:38] So he went in after I did Congress put grush in charge of investigating what the intelligence is new

[2:05:38 - 2:05:43] That all took place and then I get a call from David Grush and another gentleman

[2:06:23 - 2:06:31] So I went and testified and then David Grush came through he testified you mean you gave statements in a secure place

[2:21:52 - 2:21:55] So even less Joe wanted to get in touch with grush

[2:21:56 - 2:21:59] Because grush is just testified and open your nose grush and he knows grush

[2:21:59 - 2:22:02] And so I said I he said can you get me the grush and say yeah, I got a guy

[2:22:15 - 2:22:17] How do you know grush and you know all this stuff?

[2:23:47 - 2:23:52] Yeah, that was a long because he was he was fully wanted to talk to grush. Okay. Yeah now

[0:06:12 - 0:06:15] As Dave Grush said, we're not here to help the adversary do their job.

[0:06:17 - 0:06:20] Mr. Grush is 100% directly.

[0:58:51 - 0:58:53] as I spoke to Dave Grush about.

[1:50:26 - 1:50:28] quantum and the grush stuff.

[0:19:06 - 0:19:12] Grush. If you can compartmentalize it to the point that they cannot present the evidence,

[0:42:45 - 0:42:52] So this is as David Grush said to me when I interviewed him in 2023, there is a secret cold war going

[0:13:37 - 0:13:55] They appear to be right. I'm just I'm just saying I'm just I'm just I'm trying to acknowledge where we've come. It is a corner. It is astounding. Right. I don't think I suspect if I had shown you a picture of Dave Grush testifying under oath with the former inspector general, the intelligence committee seeing right behind him.

[0:18:20 - 0:18:32] Yeah, church commission. Yeah, they, something like that where we can actually get these things out. And I've been really enthusiastic about people like David Grush testifying and I wish he would come out and actually say more.

[0:20:46 - 0:20:54] Just curious, when Grush says under oath, I had the firsthand people go to the Inspector General to submit a complaint.

[3:03:18 - 3:03:20] I made my piece with David Grush.

[3:47:09 - 3:47:10] grush to retain his clearance.

[0:00:42 - 0:00:47] engineering are highlighted in this account very similar to the claims of David Grush.

[0:18:36 - 0:18:42] David Grush has commented on this, a multi-decade long cold war between the US, China, and other US

[0:20:16 - 0:20:20] starting with a quote-unquote collection of craft. As we know from David Grush,

[0:34:45 - 0:34:53] by Grush. And relate statements of quote little grey men who ships had crashed or had been

[0:37:48 - 0:38:00] craft. This subject has been touched on by David Grush. Is the subject of Eric Taber's

[0:45:10 - 0:45:17] most interesting things ever since grush came out last summer of 2023 and talked about biologics

[1:30:33 - 1:30:38] You know a buddy mind Walter Kern that you know I introduced him to David grushies a journalist he came out saying

[1:30:39 - 1:30:44] Grush told him that cheney was the gate the gatekeeper for all like you see UFO programs

[1:59:39 - 1:59:44] Might have something to share like it would clear up a lot like Dave Dave grush. Yeah, yeah

[2:00:24 - 2:00:30] Are you one of David grush's 40 first-hand witnesses that he says he presented to the

[1:09:19 - 1:09:24] Then we've got Grush who's coming out saying that they've, they have crash retrievals where,

[0:15:34 - 0:15:46] So maybe he was killed for you running his mouth or something because he was head of Washington National Labs and David Grush has said on record that he set up UFO secrecy in 1954.

[0:17:27 - 0:17:40] When we did the documentary with Grush last year, I asked him, there is one person that you can ask questions that can lay out that can allow you to understand the architecture of the program. Who would it be? And he said it was Sarbacher.

[0:04:26 - 0:04:42] And you saw that with David Grush and you saw the pushback from intelligence agencies with David Grush where they went after his PTSD records and they were just leaked to some shill asked journalist you know to try to discredit him that should tell you a lot too.

[0:27:36 - 0:28:05] I think that could have partly been down to a lot of the questions put to him and who they were put from and then like I say Michael Shellenberger again highly respected journalist you could have sat a cardboard cut out there you know and you'd have probably got similar and just attached a document to them because he representing someone else's story you know so I don't know if part of that is just the impact that the the grush hearing had and the kind of bombshells and the

[0:33:49 - 0:34:18] That they're you know looking through psionics to pull in craft and all that okay cool show us like that's really cool we should hear you out but let's get back to that first part so you say you're part of a crash retrieval program David Grush said that that we do that and now you're saying you're part of it I think a lot of attention should be put on that we should try to unravel the physical tangible hardcore roles that people had in government either keeping the UFO secret.

[0:45:30 - 0:45:57] What disappointed me and again I spoke to Timbert Shit about this the day after the hearing was I was surprised to hear they still hadn't had grush in that skiff almost 18 months on from that original hearing and I said at the time of the grush hearing I think I say that's about a lot of stuff the importance of it or the legacy of something will be what happens in the future what comes of it regardless of the statements and who makes them in the power of them.

[0:45:57 - 0:46:13] If nothing happens off the back of it David grush is coming forward is almost for nothing in a way and I imagine that for a straights him what is your take on grush coming out in July 2023 and here we are and as far as we know he's still not been in those skiffs.

[0:47:01 - 0:47:18] So I can't give you more insight to that it's just not it's inappropriate for me to give more insight I think people need to speak for themselves but all is not lost like you know David grush has given plenty of testimony to work with I am a little baffled why some of what he testified to wasn't followed up on yeah.

[0:43:05 - 0:43:09] And that's where Grush came into the picture and he was tasked to track down some of this

[0:45:11 - 0:45:15] But it way, way, way predate, I met with Mr. Grush when he was still undercover.

[1:33:10 - 1:33:18] I know the ones I know and now here's someone like, like Mr. Grush, he was telling 100%

[1:19:40 - 1:19:41] David Grush said this on J.O.

[1:35:40 - 1:35:47] Grush's on record saying, you know, was one of the gatekeepers for the program and they

[2:01:52 - 2:01:59] So David Grush says that there's this magenta crash in Longbarte and Italy in 1933 exactly.

[2:03:20 - 2:03:21] Heard that from Grush.

[2:03:21 - 2:03:22] Heard that from Grush.

[2:08:08 - 2:08:14] David Grush was also deputy CTO of Northrop Grumman and I believe was stationed at Wright

[2:17:14 - 2:17:19] grush as well, who I find beyond reproach probably more than anybody else.

[0:03:17 - 0:03:20] He goes, the one other time I've seen this is with Jesse's David Grush video.

[0:03:23 - 0:03:29] And then he said that my video with Bledso and your video with Grush, neither of them broke

[0:03:39 - 0:03:44] Grush, it's basically the floor above me that I have no access to.

[0:25:17 - 0:25:22] to explain this up to me better, but like people like Grush, people like all these whistleblowers,

[1:15:51 - 1:15:56] of courage like David Grush, where he pieces together all this stuff and he goes forward

[1:53:02 - 1:53:06] Last couple of months, somebody said, talk, mentioned David grushed him and said like,

[1:58:02 - 1:58:04] Um, I'll trade you for a grush.

[2:44:12 - 2:44:13] worked alongside Grush.

[2:49:05 - 2:49:06] So what a grush.

[2:49:07 - 2:49:11] And then where it was incredibly frustrating, even in a way that like, grush,

[2:49:11 - 2:49:17] a grush is like can get into the theory and speculation and is like a good fact finder.

[2:50:40 - 2:50:47] guy who's come out and he vetted him, I think on behalf of Grush and some other people

[2:57:32 - 2:57:38] just talking about working for Peter Teal, but like being befriending grush and, you know,

[3:19:27 - 3:19:30] You could type in David Grush to this day.

[3:19:37 - 3:19:39] You could type in David Grush on YouTube

[3:21:44 - 3:21:46] Yeah, that was the same with the grush thing for me originally.

[3:24:54 - 3:25:01] Ken Clippenstein came out with basically leaked Dave Grush's medical records.

[3:25:02 - 3:25:07] And and that is what like kind of marginalized Grush for a while.

[3:25:34 - 3:25:39] records right after Grush testifies before Congress to discredit him.

[0:00:11 - 0:00:18] Grush essentially led the charge in that first hearing. What's your take on David Grush?

[0:26:51 - 0:26:58] Because I've met and discussed this with Grush and Luna and others and I go, here's a hard drive.

[0:26:59 - 0:27:04] Unredacted. Well, you've spoken to David Grush? Yeah, well, I met, okay, let's go back a little bit.

[0:27:04 - 0:27:12] I met with Grush when he was still undercover operative. I know I knew he was. His bosses were the ones

[0:27:39 - 0:27:46] people who wanted him to go out and one of them set up this meeting between me and Mr. Grush.

[0:27:47 - 0:27:51] And you like David Grush? Do you feel like you find him to be an honest actor?

[1:25:45 - 1:25:52] and you know grushes guys the guys who kind of sent him out to look into this three years ago when

[2:07:12 - 2:07:18] mr. grush was provided some of yeah that could lead to hitting pay dirt yeah we have a huge

[0:09:56 - 0:10:00] We get, we get all, we get, you know, we get the grushes up there.

[0:10:00 - 0:10:01] We get David Grush.

[0:11:11 - 0:11:15] Now this is interesting because you got David Grush who testified on a road, right?

[0:11:44 - 0:11:50] And the DOD took the clearances away from Grush because they knew that if Grush could

[0:12:00 - 0:12:02] So Grush was stripped.

[0:12:31 - 0:12:36] And the reasons why I aligned with David Grush when he was testifying under oath.

[0:13:20 - 0:13:27] So what David Grush has said aligns with my 30 plus years of research in countries all

[55.56s - 62.52s] You know, David Grush comes out and he talks about this 1933 case where supposedly the

[192.20s - 193.70s] They don't know where Grush got this idea.

[0:27:56 - 0:28:01] legislation was there, but Grush was not. I was aware of people on the inside. Some of who have

[0:35:07 - 0:35:12] Grush had just spoken the month before. Or I before then I was clear like, hey, you know, this

[0:35:12 - 0:35:17] meeting has been in the work for months. I saw David Grush's test. So I don't even know if you

[0:40:40 - 0:40:47] cute like something much darker. Right. You see people like Dave Grush come forward and get

[0:40:58 - 0:41:04] Yeah, I mean, I went forwards in such close proximity to Grush that I didn't have, at that time,

[0:03:59 - 0:04:07] US intelligence official named David Grush told Congress that the Vatican had been involved

[0:04:09 - 0:04:14] David Grush later provided more details to news nations' Ross Coltart, and here is

[0:05:31 - 0:05:34] where this Grush got the information.

[0:15:01 - 0:15:08] next five to six years. You know, David Grush, as the whistleblower, testifying before Congress,

[0:15:40 - 0:15:45] secrets, and only David Grush is the one whistleblower who's come out and said something,

[0:16:10 - 0:16:16] behind closed doors to the Senate Intelligence Committee. So it's not just David Grush that is

[0:00:11 - 0:00:15] They have also, or at least one of them, has hired the UFO whistleblower David Grush to

[0:00:16 - 0:00:22] Grush alleged that the Pentagon has been operating a secret UFO retrieval program.

[0:01:22 - 0:01:29] be getting the first time that David Grush is put into a skiff, into a secure, compartmented

[0:01:42 - 0:01:48] properly for the first time the full details of what David Grush knows.

[0:02:00 - 0:02:04] And David Grush got his clearance to be able to give it.

[0:02:07 - 0:02:12] So do you think Grush in that environment, so up here, as Ross laid out, in Washington,

[0:02:19 - 0:02:23] And so as Ross outlines, basically that's when Grush is going to be able to go in with

[0:03:29 - 0:03:36] with David Grush. I have a very enlightening conversation with him and at his suggestion, he

[0:04:04 - 0:04:08] that was my head space. Yeah. I was asking Grush like I'm having a real hard time,

[0:04:23 - 0:04:31] thing. So it makes sense. It was a good move. We did well with David Grush. So George and I

[0:04:45 - 0:04:53] process they're asking for. At that time we had had a great hearing. David Grush also quite a

[1:00:19 - 1:00:24] You know, move forward. I know that you had some encouragement, but David Grush, I hope people are