[0:07:38 - 0:07:42] or I have a place in Santa Barbara so I was like all this get you as soon as I could possibly get you

[0:07:49 - 0:07:53] Barbara right now I said I'm getting to the car I'm coming I'll be there I'll be there tomorrow

[0:05:48 - 0:05:52] like Jake, Barbara, a very, very, very incredibly smart guy,

[0:06:50 - 0:06:51] and I want to go to the Jake Barbara clip.

[2:07:51 - 2:07:56] say something that at first thought just sounds fucking crazy. Like Barbara coming out and saying,

[1:08:00 - 1:08:03] Jake, Barbara and his team.

[1:18:29 - 1:18:34] And then you have Barbara's testimony that psionic abilities can forcefully land craft or bring

[2:12:21 - 2:12:23] So going back to Barbara, he was saying that there was

[2:13:16 - 2:13:18] Barbara's story is like pretty beyond reproach actually

[2:48:31 - 2:48:33] Um, and then so go back to Jake Barbara.

[2:48:33 - 2:48:38] So so going back to this, uh, Jake Barbara thing where they're getting these psionic

[0:03:12 - 0:03:19] Okay, yeah, wait and see, for sure. I want to return to some of your thoughts on some of the government operations that Barbara was a part of.

[0:03:44 - 0:03:52] Ross, in your experience, rigorously covering so many UAP related stories now, how does Barbara's account compare to other whistleblower testimonies?

[0:03:53 - 0:03:59] It totally correlates. I mean, the task of the reason I'm so sure about Barbara telling the truth is because I was referred to Mr.

[0:03:59 - 0:04:12] Barbara by people inside the legacy program, scientists who are frustrated that they think the public should have a right to know this information, that they say there's no good reason for the continued secrecy.

[0:03:20 - 0:03:25] whistleblowers like Mr. Barbara and not bring in people who are second, third and fourth-hand

[0:03:27 - 0:03:33] And in order to do that, they're going to have to pull in people like Mr. Barbara and

[0:04:30 - 0:04:35] So Jake, Barbara and I have had these long discussions where even for people, expert people,