[0:00:30 - 0:00:33] But General Exan didn't say anything about that.

[0:07:51 - 0:07:54] Uh, I did ask General Exan about them.

[0:07:54 - 0:07:59] And he said that he and General Exan had worked on this project.

[0:08:20 - 0:08:25] And he introduced me to General Exan, who I talked to on the phone a number of times,

[0:08:35 - 0:08:40] And, um, General Exan said, and I'm quoting him.

[0:19:47 - 0:20:06] He didn't tell me personally, but he told a member of my family, not Von Neumann, General Exan, that he had held when the debris and bodies were brought into the material, he had held one of the bodies.

[0:22:10 - 0:22:25] But the other thing that Von Neumann and you referenced briefly this paper earlier there is supposedly a paper and at general Exan who was no scientist but had been exposed to a lot of scientists involved in this and was very smart.