[0:16:59 - 0:17:11] In March 1989 he accompanied a small group to the outskirts of area 51 three Wednesday nights in a row they watched a glowing disc rise above the mountains over Papus dry lake.

[0:17:11 - 0:17:21] I didn't know I didn't know I kept doing the person who initiated the desert outing was a scientist who claimed he worked at Papus on flying saucers.

[0:17:58 - 0:18:01] Oh is it yeah that's groom like that's Papus like.