[0:00:41 - 0:00:49] In 2019, he was tasked by the Pentagon to investigate
UFOs as part of the unidentified anomalous phenomena task force.
[0:00:49 - 0:00:55] I had no interest in
UFOs or whatever, but I thought it would be kind of an interesting thing to see what was going on.
[0:01:08 - 0:01:17] A program whose mandate was to find and retrieve crashed
UFOs and attempt to rebuild them into functional vehicles that humans can fly.
[0:01:21 - 0:01:30] Thanks to new
UFO whistleblower protections, Grasch gave comprehensive documentation about these programs to the Inspector General in the summer of 22.
[0:01:30 - 0:01:44] He had brought people on the secret
UFO programs directly to meet the Inspector General's team and had even given the staff the names of the aerospace companies involved in these programs and the locations where the
UFOs were ostensibly being kept.
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[0:02:38 - 0:02:43] And through many a phone call, he's put up with my wild speculations on the truth behind
UFOs.
[0:03:22 - 0:03:37] And of course, at a long form conversation, we discussed the history of covert
UFO research programs, their connection with Robert Oppenheimer in the Manhattan Project, white presidents and elected officials may have been shielded from the
UFO secrets in the past.
[0:03:37 - 0:03:44] And of course, his best theories as to how these
UFOs fly, who their occupants are, and why they're here.
[0:04:23 - 0:04:35] And if you combine our open source research with his revelations, you can actually piece together a sort of coherent picture of what's going on with
UFOs and human attempts to reverse engineer them.
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[0:20:53 - 0:21:13] I would probably ask starbocker, Oppenheimer, and be like, what was your thought process in the 40s and 50s, you know, scrolling this away, I mean, besides overlaying the Manhattan Project secrecy, because often I was the one who created the classification that included the
UFO stuff.
[0:21:58 - 0:22:03] Until now, we haven't really had an exact understanding of the mechanisms of
UFO secrecy.
[0:22:05 - 0:22:11] In 1947, in the aftermath of frequent
UFO sightings across the United States, Nathan
[0:22:16 - 0:22:22] He writes that the
UFO phenomena is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
[0:22:56 - 0:23:01] If you were the military industrial complex and had to keep a top secret
UFO reverse engineering
[0:23:34 - 0:23:39] Blue Book was the Air Force's official program tasked with investigating
UFOs in the 50s and
[0:23:57 - 0:24:02] Legendary French
UFO researcher Jacques Vallet told me the exact same thing.
[0:24:25 - 0:24:30] Well the first hint we get might actually come from the quintessential
UFO story, the
[0:26:52 - 0:26:56] It also was the site for Blue Book, the anti-
UFO's Sci-op that the Air Force ran in the
[0:26:58 - 0:27:03] So when you're running a secret
UFO program, you have people working on the
UFOs, and
[0:30:33 - 0:30:43] The nuclear
UFO connection is deeper and more bizarre than you can ever imagine.
[0:30:43 - 0:30:48] For that vice story that ran in 2022 about a town in Japan that's obsessed with
UFOs,
[0:31:17 - 0:31:22] But maybe the best collection of evidence around the
UFO nuclear connection comes from a
[0:31:32 - 0:31:37] And a lot of them claim some pretty crazy things around seeing
UFOs around nuclear bases.
[0:32:13 - 0:32:19] They're launching dummy nuclear warheads off of gallous five missiles and seeing the
UFO [0:33:08 - 0:33:12] Time and time again, these missile men would see
UFOs near nuclear facilities and without
[0:33:27 - 0:33:32] From Hastings work, we now know that
UFO sightings were happening all across American
[0:37:58 - 0:38:05] It was people who had anomalous
UFO experiences and it was people who had experienced a van
[0:47:19 - 0:47:25] That's Gary Nolan, Stanford microbiologist and Nobel nominee who claims to have
UFO crash
[0:49:31 - 0:49:36] These were tons of
UFO sightings in Sweden and Finland in the immediate aftermath of World
[0:53:29 - 0:53:34] But there's just like other side of it that a lot of it dealt with the
UFO-UIP issue
[0:54:32 - 0:54:37] Well maybe Operation Paperclip had a little more to do with
UFOs than meets the eye.
[1:04:20 - 1:04:25] But maybe the most important point when discussing the insane stigma around
UFOs
[1:04:39 - 1:04:45] The same atomic programs, Davis saying, are responsible for initially studying
UFOs
[1:05:22 - 1:05:29] This 1966 investigation into
UFOs was paid for but supposed to be uninfluenced by the Air Force.
[1:05:34 - 1:05:40] like Colonel Robert Hippler, who had expressed clear written desire that all previous
UFO research
[1:05:42 - 1:05:47] The Condon committee's report dealt a death blow to
UFO research in the second half of the 20th century.
[1:06:22 - 1:06:27] which again, Dave is literally saying establishes the framework for
UFO secrecy.
[1:06:46 - 1:06:51] and how many people were deterred from studying
UFOs because this one high prestige
[1:06:58 - 1:07:03] and was he used by the original atomic
UFO programs and by the Air Force to downplay it?
[1:07:23 - 1:07:29] have secretly worked on reverse-engineering
UFOs. He outed himself in 1989,
[1:07:50 - 1:07:55] and then the verdict's still out because I a lot of you have fallegists or
UFO people that I
[1:09:21 - 1:09:28] involved in the original
UFO program. My question is, did John Lear manipulate Lazar into spreading
[1:09:28 - 1:09:34] a bunch of pure disinformation? And so Lazar's claim that he worked on
UFOs was all a complete lie.
[1:12:12 - 1:12:19] by the military industrial complex. I have no idea if JFK's death had anything to do with
UFOs,
[1:12:36 - 1:12:43] In the letter JFK is asking for the full data on unknowns or
UFOs so we can coordinate more
[1:12:43 - 1:12:49] tightly with Russians in space and they don't mistake these
UFOs as acts of American aggression
[1:13:23 - 1:13:28] everybody wants to just hold up as the bogeyman. I saw the
UFO files too. We've got bigger problems.
[1:15:05 - 1:15:11] of the
UFOs a machine learning classifier will somehow spit out the answer as to what they are.
[1:15:55 - 1:16:02] UFOs which is wild to me. Joc full a might be the most preeminent
UFO researcher in the world.
[1:16:26 - 1:16:32] he got into an argument with Steven Spielberg. We had a long discussion about what
UFOs could be
[1:16:39 - 1:16:46] UFOs to be extraterrestrial visitors. Joc wanted the
UFOs and the aliens in the movie to be represented
[1:17:45 - 1:17:52] and it wasn't natural. Joc's air in the
UFO theory world is a guy named Mike Masters, a biological
[1:27:01 - 1:27:07] That explains why
UFOs are disproportionately picked up by military bases. It's the robust
[1:35:59 - 1:36:05] aerial schools Russians have reported stuff but the Chinese have what they call the journal
UFO [1:37:29 - 1:37:35] is a good time to talk about the frame of the public debate on
UFOs which is frustratingly stupid
[1:38:15 - 1:38:22] UFOs with blue book but later in 1979 the Air Force drove a man crazy by playing up his belief in
[1:38:33 - 1:38:44] is an Air Force disinfo guy was kind of assigned to screw him up mentally so we know
UFOs are part
[1:41:34 - 1:41:41] do you think in some ways
UFOs are like a Rorschach test and the way I mean that is that and so
[1:43:30 - 1:43:36] divine contact experiences in the past could have actually been what we now call
UFO experiences
[1:44:01 - 1:44:10] damage from a
UFO experience it was reasonably religious but nothing like crazy kind of average
[1:45:49 - 1:45:53] towards the end of his career was t.a. I got very into
UFOs yeah you were telling me that I