[0:38:17 - 0:38:24] Well, in the meantime, in
1984, Dr. Jack Verona, who worked at Defense Intelligence Agency,
[0:49:58 - 0:50:05] But then he retired in
1984 and everybody thought that the program, that the psychics,
[0:52:46 - 0:52:55] So when I went, so from
1984 to, to 19, to July of 1986 before I went to the program,